Luigi Mangione, CEO shooting suspect, is a tech worker
Luigi Mangione, CEO shooting suspect, is a tech worker
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Who is Luigi Mangione: What we know about healthcare CEO shooting suspect
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He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect's "motivation and mindset", officials said.
Publish it then.
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Deny that you know or even saw them. Defend them if they do get caught, through protest, fundraising, bail, etc. Depose those who put them in jail if they are sentenced.
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He was carrying it around for absolutely no reason and for long enough to get caught with it? Bullshit, it's manufactured evidence.
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First thought that came to mind as well, it sounds very implausible for him to be carrying a manifesto.
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Ikr
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This thing about a guy at Macdonald's recognizing his eyes also sounds bit strange tbh
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Well, a YouTube account with the shooters name posted a video today titled "truth" which was basically saying that there were videos scheduled to be made public in the near future (presumably on the same account), which would speak to his motivations and mind set or something of the sort.
Instead of telling you about it, I would prefer to just link the video, but according to YouTube, the account associated with the YouTube channel has been removed, so you can believe me or not on this. the video was only up for about 4 hours and when I saw it, maybe 30 minutes before it was removed from YouTube, it had 10's of thousands of views. I know those counters aren't exactly real time, so it's not unreasonable to think that upwards of 100k people saw it, maybe more, and unless one of them saved it, it's likely that nobody else will see it.
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Or he consider himself a crusader for a cause more than a vigilante and was carrying it to get more attention to his beliefs.
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My tin foil hat theory is that he was planning out another shooting and got interrupted.
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They need dozens of psy PhD types to review it to asses risks and prep narratives to discredit him.
Get fucked, dude is a hero.
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Wow thanks for posting
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We wouldn’t want to arouse ill-will toward health insurers /s
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Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they're the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
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Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
Or, and hear me out here, we can view this with a little sympathy: there's $60k in rewards for anyone who turned this guy in, and the person who did it makes peanuts at McDonalds.
Now, I don't know if I would do it, but I can completely and utterly sympathize why someone who makes poverty wages would turn class traitor for what almost certainly life-changing money.
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Well then this person is a moron. They won’t see a dime. Maybe a pat on the head and a gift card from the dollar store.
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I don't. Might as well just be a cop if you think like that, plenty of room for bootlicking morons in that profession.
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Find out finds everyone
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Neat how that works. Keep the populace poor and they become a wall to wall surveillance system for you. And people worry about technology…
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that person might get 60k...
maybe because of this circle jerk, regime will pay out to prove a point.
but there is a lesson in this discussion folks.
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Off-topic question: are rewards money taxable?
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The downvotes on this really make me question my faith in humanity.
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Simply a lack of class consciousness. America has worked hard since the rise of the USSR to topple workers power through union busting and destruction of community.
Basically we are built by our material conditions.
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One doesn't have to go far to find a boot-licking class traitor who thinks if they run the rat race well enough they'll get a piece of cheese.
But to be fair to the McDonalds worker, the cash reward is designed to do just that.
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$50k is 1-2 years pay for the person who reported him. For them, that short term relief was worth more than the highly improbable outcome where this man's actions actually impact their life in a positive way in the next few months. Money wins almost every time
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I'm glad the rat will most likely get denied their pellet.
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We can't tell you who squealed, but it was one of the dozen employees at this McDonald's. Probably the one that's going to change jobs soon...
I'd be pissed and scared if I was an employee at that McDonald's
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America's working class has a long history of buying into propaganda and acting against their own interests. It's a huge reason why the medical industry has gotten so bad.
That being said, it's important to keep our anger focused on the system, not people who are getting suckered by it.
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It pains me to see so many people ready and willing to beat up their Trump voting neighbor who fell for propaganda designed for them but not the Trump financing ceos
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He had everything on him to get caught and convicted. I don't think he wanted to run forever.
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Because they rely on "tips" , as the corporation is unable to pay a wage that is sufficient to support a basic standard of living. If only capitalist weren't so greedy they wouldn't be relying on the tips to survive.
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Jokes on you if you think this is going to change anything
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Oh look, something changed: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/05/health/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-claim-limits
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Some of us aren’t brainwashed into bloodlust by marxist bullshit, even though we’re poor.
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Some of us would like it if we and people like us were not poor for the rest of time.
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Somebody better nullify that jury.
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It only takes of working man to get on it to make it flop
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And here's your 12 jury members.......
Oh, it's Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerburg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch,
.........I could keep this joke going if I used google, but is it sad that I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters "Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general public, and would absolutely convict"?
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I'm fairly certain they'll just find a new jury
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Lol ... I thought you were asking to nudify the jury
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Why do I keep reading his name as "Luigi's Mansion"
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Lucky the police got him before he got nintendo'ed.
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We should spend the next year blanketing NY with information about jury nullification.
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100% agreed. Might I recomend making https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ go as viral as possible.
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I like that, but there is a major problem with it, and it's around 2:49 in the video:
Do you have any beliefs that might prevent you from making a decision based strictly on the law?
Grey suggests that saying "No" with intent to nullify is lying, and therefore perjury. He is wrong. Where legislated law and constitutional law come into conflict (and they do in all cases of nullification), it is your duty to strictly follow constitutional law. You must judge the case as a layperson. You are constitutionally obligated to follow your own sense of rationality. That means if legislated law provides an undesirable outcome, you are obligated to "strictly follow [constitutional] law", and refuse to convict under a lower law.
I can honestly claim to have no beliefs that would prevent me from making a decision based strictly on the law. The 6th Amendment is part of the law, and the 6th amendment requires and empowers me (as a juror) to make whatever decision I determine is appropriate.
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This better not be a rickroll....
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Careful, in case you haven't heard, discussing jury nullification is apparently against the rules of lemmy.world. SMH (at lemmy.world admins).
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The pinned post on lemmy.world right now clarifies that discussing jury nullification for crimes that have already happened, such as this, is perfectly acceptable. It's only discussing it with respect to crimes which have not yet been committed which is against the TOS.
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I'm not sure that's true. I've had plenty of comments stay up. My guess is either the mod team got their shit together or those comments were deleted for other reasons.
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They are certainly empowered to do that, just as I am empowered to block any instance I don't want to participate in. If they are not tolerant and respectful of my beliefs (even if they don't share them) then I don't want to contribute to their community either.
Layperson juries are a fundamental component of criminal justice. The law exists to serve the people, not the lawyers, not the government. Rejecting jurors for understanding the purpose of having a layperson jury fundamentally violates the rights of the accused in particular, and society in general.
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Of all the people, it happened to be someone who likely uses lemmy.
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How awesome would it be if it turned out to be no poop guy??!
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Training for the escape. Might not be able to safely shit for up to 3 days.
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For the uninitiated: https://web.archive.org/web/20230624223444/https://lemmy.world/post/440073
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..........I'm sorry, what? No poop guy?
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I admit I'm kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he'd probably be OK.
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Don't be disappointed. I guessed he was going to do this, and for good reason. His options were to either, live a life in fear, worrying that one day he would be caught, or, to basically give him self up, and elect for a Jury trial. Jury nullification is one os the most powerful tools available to the average, non-rich american. If he goes through the trial and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror), then hes a free man, a folk hero, and he sets the precident that killing rich murderers isn't an automatic crime.
What he's doing is the smartest available option, please donate to his legal defense fund.
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and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror)
Unfortunately this is not true. 1 juror alone can hang the jury, but they'd have to convince all the other jurors to actually render a verdict of not guilty to avoid a mistrial
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a court case also draws out media coverage, possibly more than an extended search would
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I almost want to believe this guy saw how similar he was to the photos and how famous the shooter was getting and decided to take the fall by wandering around in public with some incriminating circumstantial evidence until someone reported him so he could take the credit.
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You don't understand.
The fact that he wrote a manifesto meant he wanted to get caught. The taking the murder weapon and the manifesto to the McDonald's was his way of saying he had gotten bored waiting for the cops to catch him. He pretty much turned himself in.
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For sure this has not been planted at all.
Only a bit more subtle than Russians https://www.vice.com/en/article/russia-sims-3/
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The gun is planted. They just found a crazy guy in order to convince everyone that they actually found the culprit.
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To my knowledge, he claimed specifically the money in his bag was planted. Specifically they said there was US and foreign cash in his bag. The fact that Luigi is denying the cash but admitting to the gun and manifesto. To me I think he knew he was going down... but I would be far from supprised if the money was planted either to raise it up to 1st degree murder... or while I'm very far from legally qualified... if they could try and claim he was doing a job for an enemy of the US, could they buypass the trial?
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I find that kind of unlikely. If they wanted to frame someone just to have a killer, they wouldn't be talking about a "3D printed ghost gun", but just use a regular gun. I, for one, haven't known that it's possible to 3D print a pretty well working, and silenced, gun. And that might inspire someone - acquiring weapons is the harder part of any such murder, assuming you don't want to get caught, and the fact that you can get it without anyone knowing about it makes it way easier.
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If they did that and the real killer killed again, what would that achieve? Or is this a one-and-done thing?
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I think this is why there's a common narrative on the internet that this "evidence" was planted to frame a random dude.
It's fair to call that a conspiracy theory at this point, but hopefully due process will reveal the truth.
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There’s a picture of him holding a McD happy meal?? He had the gun and manifesto just laying there in his backpack? You f’ing kidding??
Some elite fucks used an advanced AI search algorithm to search a bunch of people who vaguely looked like him. Input term search for social media and ‘reviews’ to further narrow down until you find someone who has a few tweets and posts that the media can point to say “yup hey look, he liked Kzynski’s manifesto on goodreads…got the guy!”. Plant evidence, and you got your scapegoat.
This poor kids’ life is ruined. And he will probably be threatened if he doesn’t plead guilty and waive jury trial. He’ll get a visit from the MIB threatening to skin his family alive in front of him if he doesn’t play along.
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Reading these fantasy takes is exhausting. It's hard to want to be a part of a community that supports this guy by gaslighting everyone, saying things like "it's not the same guy in the four photos!" Just hundreds of people all convinced they can secure this guys freedom by acting dumb and face blind- you've created a whole fictional scenario here that's just unbelievable and unrealistic.
If he didn't want to get caught he shouldn't have left DNA all over, shouldn't have taken off his mask, shouldn't be carrying the murder weapon days later... He could have helped himself but instead there's an army of idiots who are probably just creating this fan fiction to impress their peers. It's very childish though. This guy tried to do something which is commendable, or maybe he's just mentally ill, but I'm just tired of reading all this nonsense. Who are you signalling to?
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I posted this elsewhere, but this is one of the few times I buy the conspiracy theory, not the official story.
Dude pulls off a targeted assassination, gets away clean, trolls the cops with a bag of monopoly money, gets out of the state, stays essentially hidden for almost a week... And then gets clocked by some poor maccas employee and gets taken in with a manifesto AND a gun on his person?
It's the nazi flag and 3 copies of The Sims all over again, except this time the folks doing it are slightly more competent and actually pulled it off.
This case is so important, so high profile, that they just need to arrest someone ASAP. Anyone. And that person is not in for a good time.
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To be fair, people were posting actors who look like the very shitty pictures we have of the guy too, and I buy some of them. Honestly, the picture we have looks more like Timothée Chalamet than this guy. I'm not saying it isn't this guy, or it is Chalamet, but there's a shit ton of people in this world, and a lot look like the shooter.
Edit to add: I'll never trust the word of the authorities. They have to prove that this is the man. It's their duty, not ours.
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It reminds me of people in the UFO community.
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The fantasy takes are so close to the people that still believe GameStop and AMC will still have a short squeeze.
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I think he knew he was going to get caught. Words on bullets, monopoly money... It's trying to make the story larger and larger. Pretty sure he will make a show in front of the jury.
I don't know if that will work, but I respect that more than he killed the pig without making clear why.
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You can't convince me this is the real shooter, this guy looks more like Skeet from Jimmy Neutron than the "Grin Reaper" in the now famous pic
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What would "the elites" stand to gain from framing this dude, while the actual killer is still on the loose?
This is pretty unhinged, to be honest.
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to make an example of someone to try to dissuade others from following in his footsteps
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The killer is not as dangerous as the approval for his act. The government wants to prevent copycat vigilantes by making an example out of him. Regardless whether this guy is guilty or not, they'll drag him through the deepest mud and then string him up with the harshest possible sentence, to discourage others from gunning down CEOs.
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They gain by preventing copycat killers. If other poors think that he got away with it, they might think they can, too.
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I'm not adopting the conspiracy here, but if they can't find the shooter with the whole country getting behind him, then they would want the optics of finding the shooter. Which could backfire, of course. It would be very telling, for example, if the cops got real confident about it and then the real shooter made some kind of public display with the false shooter in custody.
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Yeah, I get that. However, the optics of having a successful “martyr” symbol is very, very dangerous. A wide scope of narrative means difficult to control. Difficult to control introduces “motivator to action” symbols among a, I think, specific (and quite populous) demographic (think of all the young males with zero purpose, waiting to seize on an opportunity for a real life Mr Robot, for example)… “well if he could do it, get away with it, AND become a ’hero’, what’s stopping me from doing the same?”
Having someone, anyone, buys time to craft the narrative and gauge public sentiment and, most importantly, dampen the probability of a revolutionary ’spark’ if you will.
Obviously we don’t have enough information here. It very well could be the dude they have in custody. I am only sharing one possible theory based off my experience and observations. And there are a number of very suspect observations here that are in line with narrative management.
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Doesn’t look like the guy in the photos. That guy had a coat on. Not guilty.
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He honestly doesn't look like the same guy to me. Idk.
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The article spelled Hero wrong...
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It's from the BBC, they are using the British spelling.
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Like he's literally a comp sci nerd who reads books. Literally how can they make him into a bad guy?! everything I learn about him makes me even more down diabolical
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I'm curious why he still carry all those things after he is done with it.
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Check out parallel construction concept...
He didn't... They found where he dispose of it and gave to police to plant on him so we have to accept he is the perp..
You can get creative with who "they" are here btw
BC if you got murdered they would never do this.
Also he left a dead man switch for YouTube upload.
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Maybe plotting how to dispose of it, perhaps extra paranoid with how much he blew up. Unfortunately all the memes of him probably helped spread the search for him. Not everyone who saw a meme agreed with his actions.
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Raise your hand if you want to read the suspect's manifesto!
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have a look at this guy's twitter: https://x.com/pepmangione?lang=en
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Can you screenshot it? I'm not signing up for that shithole site.
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You know, is said he worked UI at Firaxia from '15 to '17, which first made me think he worked on Civ VI, but then more likely Xcom Chimera Squad?
You don't get that job without having some interest in games. I hope it turns out he actually played Assassin's Creed and is intentionally pulling an Ezio look, smile and all.
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I read in an AP article that he worked on Civ VI as an intern, so you would be correct.
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He started a game dev club at his uni iirc
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I could get lost in that smile.
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The Revolution will not be televised.
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Came to mind.
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Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.
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Fixarixis? Do they mean Firaxis?
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Yes, Firaxis, he worked as an intern fixing UI issues in Civ VI based off of a screenshot I saw of his LinkedIn page
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Well now I love him even more!
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It was actually Fixarixinixynoxinaxis
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Luigi Mangione is a CEO shooting suspect.
FIFY
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Doesn't look like the right guy to me
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Mr Mangione worked as a data engineer for TrueCar
Looks like TrueCar had a decent Aetna plan in his state.
I was sure this shooter was on United Healthcare.
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I had the same thought. Perhaps a close family member has/had UHC?
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Doesn't look like the guy on the video.
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Have to admit I'm surprised. I really expected this to be a romantic triangle or business rivalry thing.
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it’s getting really difficult to not find him attractive
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I KNOW RIGHT
Like he's literally a computer science nerd who reads books and hates billionaires -
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Luigi, bro, you on Lemmy? Lmk
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I mean, he might not be able to log in right now....
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Yeah. 40+. Blind, mostly. Lower back problems. But definitely a different last name.
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No, Mr Mangione! A Fortune 500 executive is a living, enterprising creature!
I don't care....heheheh
<ebike swerves onto sidewalk>
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Luigiesque: Portrait of an Assassin
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Is he repped yet? If not and anyone knows how to get in touch with his people please contact me. I have a line on a few free attorneys that take cases of this magnitude.
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Nice nothing better than a free lawyer off the internet to defend you in a murder case. I can’t imagine that ever going wrong.
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Hey genius… Ben Crump is a free lawyer off the internet. Maybe instead of shooting down offers to help you take your head out of your ass.
Any paid Manhattan attorney has more in common with the CEO. This guy needs a real street fighter. Not some prissy bitch.
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He comes from money, he won't be needing free legal help.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp9nxee2r0do
"He attended a private, all-boys high school in Baltimore, called the Gilman School, according to school officials. Mr Mangione was named as the valedictorian, which is usually the student with the highest academic achievements in a class.
He comes from a prominent family in the Baltimore area whose businesses include a country club and nursing homes, according to local media.
He is reportedly the cousin of Republican state lawmaker Nino Mangione."
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Problem solving. Maybe we shouldn't have pushed STEM so hard to the underpaid, unemployed, underinsured masses.
-Somebody with the wherewithal probably
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Lemmy went from being outraged at the elections to becoming un ironical Unabomber stans so fast that I didn't even realized it
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I don't think it's fair to liken luigi to the unibomber. Ignoring that his methods were also crazy. The biggest thing to point out on the unibomber is his victims were every day people. Obviously his method was made with collateral damage as a high possibility.
Luigi, his political leanings seem to be all over the place. But at the end of the day his only victim, was someone who inarguably made choices knowing they would result in the deaths of many people, and bankrupt and ruin the lives of many more.
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All places of freedons have room for Uncle Ted. He did belong in prison for killing innocents.
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Linking him to the Unibomber is exactly what they want you to do. Good job.
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And him loving the Unabomber sure gives me some incel vibes.
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Does everyone still feel the same if he turns out to be a neoreactionary / accelerationist?
Per The San Francisco Standard
Mangione gave Ted Kaczynski’s book “Industrial Society and Its Future” four out of five stars, writing that the man known as the Unabomber was “rightfully imprisoned” for “maiming innocent people” but noting that his actions were “those of an extreme political revolutionary.”
Mangione’s social media accounts paint a picture of a tech enthusiast with a soft spot for conservative thinkers. He has retweeted posts from right-wing capitalists like Peter Thiel and lists an applauding biography of Elon Musk as one of his favorites on GoodReads.
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At that age I had similar ideas. This didn't stop me from turning as leftist as it gets. Anyway it is all irrelevant. He did firebomb the walmart, he did the redacted and that's enough to absolve him from any leftist sin. Don't you dare turn this into yet another culture war.
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Fair take. That wasn't my intention, although, now, I suppose that maybe a natural progression.
I admit, there is definitely a disconnect, considering his actions, but, I really am torn on the idea. I guess, I question that if (and big if) his intention is to build this type of future, would his actions be enough to make others sympathetic to his cause? If, or at what point, people turn away?
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Yes. I don't understand why the right will excuse pedophilia and mass murder, but the left will throw somebody under the bus if the follow the wrong person on shitter.
Applaud the actions, do not create a hero. Nobody will live up to those expectations for everybody.
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Because the transnational white power movement believes in loyalty over principle like any other dangerous cult. If you are an ally, you could eat children and would still be favored.
And if you're in the outgroup, then they pretend as if you eat children.
They're not interested in governance but culling the population, so they're choosing people who are unpersoned by fiat.
If we wanted something different, we shouldn't have voted in the monarchists. Now King Heron is in power and it's frog-eating season.
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That's a sensible way to look at it. People's actions can be separate from thier outlook, and that's ok.
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Have you seen his abs?
Besides which, it's difficult to say violence is wrong when we tolerate apatheticly so much systemic violence.
And with the new administration we're expecting to see so much more with mass deportations and killing our already meager social safety nets.
We're always three skipped meals from mass riots that overwhelm responders. It's an exciting time to be alive.
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yeah but if it turns out this is the guy, I think actions speak louder than words.
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It could just be the tech culture he was around, and not the actual reasoning. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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if you check out his twitter, seems to be your typical toxically masculine techbro.. kinda disappointing
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I don't care. The dude is a fucking hero regardless of his views. The media wants to divide us so badly here, lol.
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fair
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I call it a "necessary evil".
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what years of culture war do to the human mind
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