DOJ says Google must sell Chrome to crack open its search monopoly

Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Kent Walker, says the DOJ is pushing “a radical interventionist agenda that would harm Americans and America’s global technology leadership.”
I'm honestly curious how this would "harm Americans".
- Google pretending they have any other nationality other then “the global internet” is cute in a disgusting way.
- That statement is technically true.
  The billionaire owners are Americans.
  
  Everyone really does need to have that at the forefront of their mind. When the C-suit, wall street, and politicians talk about "Americans" they aren't talking about us schlubs.
  
  The corporations are people too!
  
  I refuse to call any Billionaires Americans. A billionaire in America has far more in common with a billionaire in Ireland or France than with working class Americans. They don't use our schools, drink our water, drive our roads, or rely on our safety nets. They don't take out the trash, do their laundry, wait 6 months for a doctor's appointment, or stress over defunding their retirement to pay for needed medication.
  Billionaire involvement in politics should be considered foreign interference. Of course AIPAC is foreign interference too, but apparently that's not a problem either.
- Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer sounds like Donald Trump
  
  I fear this is exactly who they're courting.
- It harms wealthy asshole Americans at Google.
- The same ruling would ban Google from paying other browsers to make Google the default search engine.
  This would kill Firefox and make Chromium the only browser engine that's left.
  
  It would leave the newly-split-off chrome in the same financial situation as firefox. Arguably a worse one.
  
  That's really sad...
- ...a radical interventionist agenda...
  That language seems very "Trump-esque", and I doubt it is a coincidence.
- How does chrome make money? It uses ads from Google, chrome on it's own is not a business.
  Say you buy chrome, you have to options
  Ads built into chrome itself (when you're in the settings menu, homepage, reading a PDF, playing the dino game)
  Force your own default search engine, or get a company like Google or Bing to pay you for the privilege of being a default search engine.
  Neither of these options are better than the status quo

This is the last antitrust win we'll get for years, isn't it?
I know Trump doesn't like Big Tech, but I doubt his admin will punish them meaningfully, but just rail about censorship.
- This isn't a win I think. They are yet to meet in the court with Google.
  The DOJ will file a revised version of its proposals in early March, before the government and Google return to the DC District Court in April for a two-week remedies trial.
  
  Microshit treatment incoming IMHO
  People larp these headlines too much
  
  I keep saying this. In 2 months all this antitrust stuff goes out the window. If people actually bothered to show up on 11/5 Kahn and co could actually get some wins for the American people. Instead, we're going to get more monopolies shoved down our throats.
- Our govt is pay for play at this point, I struggle to see anything like this going through, especially so close to a new AG appointment.

Ehh just fight it for a month pay king trump some money and bam their golden.
- This is exactly what will happen. Same thing with Albertsons and Kroger too.
  
  Okay but consider them taking this moment to let Elon buy it and using it to control information on the clients end 💀
- Google ditched their "don't be evil" motto, so yeah, this is on the table.
- The fact that this is TOTALLY WITHIN REALM OF REALITY is PROOF that Trump is Draining The Swamp!

If they're allowed to choose who they sell it to this won't change anything
- I think they should sell it to me.
  
  4 $ Final Offer
- Sell it to Mozilla so they can make it uninstall itself and install Firefox instead in the next update
  
  imagine they sell it so some random homeless guy in Australia for 1 cent

Just...please for the love of whatever diety do Microsoft. Fucking sick of their shit recently with One Drive.
- Do you have a few minutes to learn about our lord and savior Linux?
  
  Man the Linux propaganda is STRONG on Lemmy. I'll say what I've said before: I use my computer for gaming, web browsing, and managing a media server for my family that hosts pictures and other things. If those 3 things can be done easily without issue on a Linux distro without having to fuck around with configs every time I want to do something, I'm all in. By what I've heard though it's just not there yet. I am super happy Steam decided to go Linux for their Steamdeck though as I've heard thats helped make monumental strides the right direction. Trust me, I want to. Large part of it is I worked tech support for over a decade and having to troubleshoot my own shit is like the furthest thing I want to deal with haha
- All mega corps but it won't happen
- Microsoft is waaay easier to avoid than fucking google. Is one drive that annoying?
- I feel like Trump's probably going to axe whoever is finally tackling these monopolies, unfortunately.
- What changed with OneDrive? I'm genuinely interested because I'm a user and haven't noticed anything.
  
  On corp side and personal if you don't have One Drive setup MS will spam notifications to set it up, and when you go to save will try to default to One Drive as opposed to local.

They should force it to become a worker cooperative. It's the only solution that doesn't allow for corruption
- brOURser comrade.
- Nationalize?
  
  For a lot of things yes.
  However I do not want to use a browser developed by the US gov tyvm
  
  Yep, nationalize everything that's essential or at least offer a nationalized alternative and let the private sector try to compete.

What company could actually afford to buy it other than Google, Meta, or Amazon? Unless they are forced to sell it at a loss, which is fine with me.
- By "sell," they could also mean ending up having Chrome just split off from Google, as a new, independent entity that is its own company, without anybody needing to buy it in the first place.
  
  The judge would immediately shut that down for creative avoidance. This is an order to sell, not break up. The DOJ specifically indicated behavioural remedies in this case, meaning Google must not remain in control of Chrome.
  
  How exactly is this company going to make any money?
- Hear me out... Valve
  
  With all due respect for Valve, they don't need this. They exist in their niche, and they're exceptionally good at doing their work
- Oracle, sun, tencent, tita...
  
  oracle would create MANGO (Microsoft,Apple,nvidia,google and Oracle)
  
  Broadcom
- Elon Musk
- Microsoft is probably drooling at the prospect. They’ve been trying to get that IE monopoly back since this happened to them.

Don't fucking let Musk buy it though
- Oh no.

Step 1: Buy Chome
Step 2: End development
Step 3: ???
Step 4: ~~Profit?~~ Non-Profit Firefox?

People wondering what Chrome has to do with a search monopoly:
The obvious benefit is that they can default the user's search provider to Google.
But the more nefarious benefit is that, by controlling both the client and server, they can unilaterally decide the future of web standards. They don't have to advocate for proposals, gain consensus, and limit themselves to well-supported standards the way other companies do. They can just do it, gain the first-mover advantage, and force others to follow suit.
If they don't like HTTP/2, they can invent their own protocol and implement it for their search servers and Chrome. Suddenly, using Chrome with Google Search is way faster than using Chrome with Bing or using Firefox with Google Search. Even if Microsoft and Mozilla don't like the protocol, they now have to adopt it or fall behind.
This has happened. QUIC was deployed in 2012. Firefox gained support in 2021.
They're doing the same thing with Privacy Sandbox, and you can also look at browser feature compatibility tables to see how eager Google is to force their own interpretation of every not-yet-finalized web standard as the canonical interpretation.
Edit: Also, JPEG XL vs. WebP.

sell it to Microsoft so they can finally have a web browser that people use
- Yes, the anti-trust lawsuit should culminate in one part of a tech giant being sold to another tech giant.
  
  what else would happen
- Never again
  
  Imagine where the software industry would be without all the lost productivity because of MSIE quirks.
- Microsoft run Chrome clone? But they already have Edge
  
  Which no one willingly uses

There's literally so much else they should do, google docs, sheets, drive, phones, maps, earth, calendar, play store, translate, etc.
Good work, continue please.
- What is the issue with docs, sheets, drive, phones, calendar, play store?
  There seems to be plenty of options in all of these spaces. Play store isn't even on a lot of android devices.
  
  Correct. My example for another necessary intervention would be YouTube. That's a space in which Google does have a monopoly.

Sounds like they are preparing for this by killing off ChromeOS
https://www.androidauthority.com/chrome-os-becoming-android-3500661/
- Another thing to add to the google graveyard.
- Android is also on the chopping block
- It says they are doing it to compete with iPad. Weird. Aren't tablets sales across all brands constantly declining?

Hot take: they sell Chrome but keep Chromium.
- Seeing how tech illiterate some of these people are, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what ends up happening
- How would that work exactly? Google would sell Chrome but keep paying teams if developers to work on Chromium?
  
  Basically. I mean look at Edge, it’s running Chromium under the hood, but the UI is developed by Microsoft.

Sell it to me, I'll buy it for one dollar.
- I'll go treefitty

Why is everyone acting like this is a thing that will happen? All they have to do is wait roughly 90 days and it'll all go away.

ABOUT FUCKING TIME!

Who would buy this and how would they monetize it? In browser ads? A freemium paid model to remove the ads?
- I'll bid $3.50 just to GPL it.
  
  https://www.chromium.org/chromium-projects/
  It's already under BSD license

Big doubt anything actually happens.

Is the DOJ the only working system in the US now?
- Obviously not. Trump is still free.
- FTC works. For now.

The Reuters article suggests prohibiting payments to Apple so that Chrome users on their hardware default to Google search. What about default settings to Firefox? Similar agreements finance a large portion of Mozilla's revenue.

sell Chrome to open search monopoly
Chrome isn't a search engine but a web browser
- Yeah, Google pays other companies lots of money to have its search engine enabled by default. That's what the lawsuit argued, so I'm not sure how separating chrome from the company will change that...
  
  It has massive market share and uses Google search by default. If another company owns the browser, they'll likely change the default search engine, and since almost nobody changes the defaults, it'll eat away at Google's marketshare.
  For example, Microsoft would be pretty interested in buying it to promote Bing search. Edge is already based on Chromium, so they could reuse their existing teams to offer support for it.

Like someone commented in another fediverse community: this court case can really only keep going for two more months, after that it's anyone's guess what will happen to the court: Alphabet could bribe someone in the DOJ to make the case disappear or (and this is the funny one) law and order could breakdown completely, rendering the case, the court and all the rest of society moot.

They should force google to kick sundar, the harmful thing, what made all google software, and services shit since it is the ceo...
- If you think Sundar is bad, just wait to see who Wall Street picks to replace him.
  
  I'm ok with google going the way of bed bath and beyond or red lobster.
- Strip google for parts And I mean that literally, asset strip the removed, no more youtube, gmail, sell the hardware, release all IP to public, absolutely dismantle google entirely. Do the same with all of FAANG. Then the 25 next biggest platform monopolists. They are Web2 parasites and they need to die.

Nah I rather they not get deeply vested in figuring out as revenue...

Admittedly, I don't know enough about monopolies and antitrust laws to know how much this matters. Can someone ELI5 this and give us more info?

Trump will let this go through and behind the scenes force a deal where X buys Chrome

Yeah, see all this stuff happening between now and inauguration day. See, we did something. Too little, too late. If there are ever free and fair elections in this country, and the Democrats return to power, they better get their fucking shit together. The dismantling of the Federal government will be almost impossible to reverse.

What the what?
"sell your browser, that'll limit your search monopoly"
. . . HAH?
- It has 67% market share, and the default search is Google.
  
  So it is on firefox as well . . ? And also with Edge, for those poor bastards.
  Why not just force them to pick a different default? Or something meaningful like splitting them out of Alphabet entirely? Or stop sucking? Okay, well that last one may be hard to administrate.

What does Chrome have to do with search? 🤔
- Google is the default search engine for chrome, and chrome is the single most popular browser at about 95% market share.
  
  Um, that wouldn't change if Google "sells Chrome", though.
  Firefox uses Google Search as a default, so does every Samsung phone (and most other Android devices).
  Unless the DOJ is telling everyone not to implement a default search engine (and let the user decide upon first opening the browser), then who owns Chrome really doesn't change much.
  Other remedies the government is asking the court to impose include prohibiting Google from offering money or anything of value to third parties — including Apple and other phone-makers — to make Google’s search engine the default,
  This is the only thing that makes sense, but "sell Chrome" is a laughable request.
- Since you were unable to answer, I'll just tell you: Google.
- What search engine does Chrome, by far and away the most used browser be it on phone or PC, use?

Hey look, some boomers who don't understand tech are trying to do a thing with a tech company. Sell Chrome? What a stupid idea.
- I'm afraid that this is a terrible take. There is nothing to stop them from making it into a separate company. It would break the monopoly because the same people making the browser won't be the ones earning the ad revenue.
  
  How does Chrome the company make money?