Google is testing the ‘impact’ of removing EU news from search results

Big tech needs to be stopped yesterday. This literally has china great firewall energy and I hate it.
- Big tech needs to be stopped yesterday. This literally has china great firewall energy and I hate it.
  This is one of the rare occasions I'm siding with Google. The news outlets are claiming that they should be paid money for those result snippets. It's not because I'm caring for Google so much but because that stance hurts small search engines.
  
  EU: You have to pay to show our news.
  Google: Ok. We won't show your news.
  EU: Pikachu face
  
  Not wanting to appear on Google is how we're going to get EVEN more dailymail type shit.
  
  Laws need to be different for monopolies and large player. Stop the rich from using the small as human shield for their grotesqie practice.
  
  Unless I've misunderstood the law, it doesn't hurt small engines, because small search engines don't have to pay.
- I mean, they've done this when places charge them money to index the news articles there.
  It hardly seems reasonable to both mandate that they index a given piece of news media and that they pay a fee to do so.
- Europe asked Google to do this so they can monitor what kind of influence Google has.
- This is the opposite of what you think it is.
  Google says it’s running the “time-limited” test because EU regulators and publishers “have asked for additional data about the effect of news content in Search.” The company says it will continue to show results from websites and news publishers located outside the EU, and it will resume showing results from EU news publishers once the test ends.
  This is the EU testing what it would be like if they ditched Google, not Google testing what it would be like without the EU. The test also doesn't impact the US.
- My brother in Lemmy, this is what stopping Big Tech looks like.
  Europe made laws that say that Google and others need to pay if they want to link to EU publishers. Well, maybe the price they are asking is not worth it.
  You're right about the firewall energy, but that's simply how these laws work. The point of copyright, as well as age verification and other such laws, is to control who may access certain information.
- Which ironically makes me think banning Google outright in the EU over this would be the right call to make.
- A US news echo chamber at the whims of whatever they think will appease trump is going to be horrifying...

If they could at the same time make one without usa news that would be great

Users are testing the impact of not using Google.
Spoiler: non-LLM enshittified search engines return reliable results and usually are not censored.
- I've been testing this for years now and the transition has been seamless
- Which do you recommend?
  
  I've been using DuckDuckGo a lot more recently and it's been pretty good. I've tried a few others but not really found one I love yet
  
  DuckDuckGo is still the main one but the Bing results annoy me (MSN news proxied articles from other news sites)
  Up and comers that are promising:
  Ecosia: https://www.ecosia.org/
  Startpage: https://www.startpage.com/
  Stumbled on this today, worth a look: https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexes/

The EU already doesn't like what google and the like are doing, maybe this gives them proper ammo
- What a good timing, honestly. In recent news of Nov 11th, Ecosia and Qwant, two European search engines, join forces on an index to shrink reliance on Big Tech (TechCrunch news article):
  Qwant, France’s privacy-focused search engine, and Ecosia, a Berlin-based not-for-profit search engine that uses ad revenue to fund tree planting and other climate-focused initiatives, are joining forces on a joint venture to develop their own European search index.
  The pair hopes this move will help drive innovation in their respective search engines — including and especially around generative AI — as well as reducing dependence on search indexes provided by tech giants Microsoft (Bing) and Google. Both currently rely on Bing’s search APIs while Ecosia also uses Google’s search results.
  Maybe it's time for Europeans to support more European tech companies and leave USA-based tech companies behind, here is a good start: https://european-alternatives.eu/
  
  thats neat, wish them luck, ill be sure to switch to one of em
  
  That's awesome!

Removing outside sources of information? There are a few countries that already do this, and they’re not great places to live.

Somebody help get my ideas straight on this one, please.
To my knowledge, Bing and Google search engine are the default options available out there, to the point other search services relay service from those, give or take a few tweaks (DuckDuckGo, Startpage, etc).
Now lets remove those from the picture and what is left?
I read a post yesterday announcing Ecosia amd Qwant were joining efforts to build a fully european search engine (hopefully, yes, but I'm not holding my breath on it). Maybe that is an option. But what else?
- A surprising amount
  
  Wow. I'm going to have to try some of those out! Thanks

What is the English term? Obeying in advance?

☞ https://www.theguardian.com/europe
- I just clicked on that link and the first headline is about Barbados, a country very clearly not in Europe. Lol
  
  On 30 November 2021, Barbados transitioned to a republic within the Commonwealth, replacing its monarchy with a ceremonial president.
  if you take a quick look at other news from Barbados, you would understand why ☞ https://www.theguardian.com/world/barbados
  it was "spectacular" with Rihanna attending the ceremony ☞ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWbC1H7RJHI
  not that i'm a fan. I just remember reading about it, and it's only been 3 years

How does the EU not have its own link engine? EU being pathethic not just IP nulling all of silicon valley and their garbage products from the continent.
- Eh, there are some search engines in the EU, the notable one I know about is MetaGer, but apparently they had to stop supporting their free, ad-supported service due to Yahoo ending its contract with them. But it's based in Germany and still exists today.
  That said, it's a meta search engine and I don't think it has its own index, but who knows, maybe if enough people sign up, they'll work on their own engine some day.

The hegemonic narrative is a very narrow narrative that needs constant overbearing reinforcement.

Boo fuckin’ hoo… Good riddance.
- Absurd take
  
  Not if you’re European.