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3mo ago

Microsoft Teams is dog shit

That’s all.

EDIT: Thank you all for detailing your experience with, and hatred for, this miserable product. Your display of solidarity is inspiring. Now, say it with me:

Fuck Microsoft

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Microsoft OneDrive is the maggots in the dog shit
- There shouldn't be worms in the poop of a healthy dog. This analogy just keeps getting better and more accurate.
  
  Maggots aren't worms.
- Oooh, I hate it so bad….. I used to click “Save” and my word document would ask to save in the only folder I save ALL my documents in. Change the name, save, so easy!
  Now it asks if I want to save to OneDrive… Fuck No Mr Paperclip! I want it in the folder I always use and don’t want to have to select “Other” then dig through screens to select the thing I use every time!
  
  Hit F12 to bypass the bs.
  
  So annoying. The OneDrive documents folder masquerading as your actual docs folder. Diabolical.
- Onedrive is pretty ok, other than being annoying. A company I worked for was acquired by another company that had their own cloud storage product. After the acquisition, they forced us to migrate from onedrive to their product. It was so bad... Files would constantly corrupt and disappear, the speed was terrible, trying to share files didn't work half the time, when sharing folders the people you shared with wouldn't see all the files in the folder. They also limited our storage from 1TB to 25GB making it pretty useless for storing builds of our product or trying to share VMs.
  And the worst part is that they also closed our SMB network share to force us to use that piece of shit.
  After that experience, I will never complain about Onedrive again.
  
  Haha oh man that sounds infuriating. Of course it could be worse, but def could be better

That's all.
There's more: microsoft outlook is garbage
- The new outlook has exceeded "garbage" and gone all the way to dumpster fire. It sometimes takes upwards of 15, 30 seconds to open an email. The new auto formatting is a hindrance to be overcome by tricking it to act how you want. Trying to schedule an event across timezones shits the bed half the time, resulting in improper meeting times being sent out. Absolute failure.
  
  New Outlook also doesn't support Really Simple Syndication, which I used a lot with the Old Outlook.
  So back to old Outlook I go.
  
  My CISO has all but said he's going to prevent any auto-rollout of that shit because it breaks decades of user training and TRUNCATES THE FRONT OF THE URL, NOT THE BACK LIKE ANY SENSIBLE APPLICATION.
  Like, let's make it so Steve in accounting can't see that the login link he wants to click is actually haxxor.com instead of bank.com, makes perfect fucking sense.
  
  I accidentally switched to it and it dropped all my non-MS mailboxes. Then when I immediately switched back it had the gall to ask me why.
  
  Wait, really? I've found the new outlook opens emails faster than the old one, especially the HTML-heavy ones that my work loves to send me.
  The refactor to the rules UI is really nice too, the old one was so crusty. Can't comment on the timezone issue though.
  
  I will give respect where due: I like the sweep button. It's handy for me personally, as someone who is on several email lists that are public-facing. That's about it.
  Every attempt to help me automatically is a pain. Like most things in this vein it never learns what you're trying to do, only what they would do in a given scenario that's vaguely like ours.
- I'll die on the hill that classic outlook is far better than Gmail and similar web interfaces for email especially if you have long threads or lots of emails.
  Also somehow Google's email search sucks so bad compared to searching in outlook.
  
  Thunderbird <3
  
  I agree. The old Outlook was snappy and dense of information. The new Outlook is just a fucking web page.
- Ever try finding an old email by sender. Lol, good luck
- If I'm being honest the only Microsoft product I actually like is Excel.
  
  They're doing their best to "improve" excel too... I can't understand how their AI generated cell fill is worse than the old approach.

Microsoft Teams isn’t all bad! For example, it bogged down my work computer so much at start up that I would basically get an extra break.
- It temporarily deletes my meetings just before they happen, so that I don't have to attend them!
  Of course, when I open it later, the meetings are restored, with the original date, and no trace of the deletion. So not attending them is quite hard to explain to others. But it does save me from attending!
  
  Just do in what I do. Don't join meetings most of the time. That way when you do it is noteworthy to the meeting stakeholder.
  Yeah sure my manglers through the years try to have 'the talk' but after awhile of training them via sheer apathy they shut the fuck up.
  I solve complex problems, get my tasks done, I'm independent and I stay busy because I'll get bored. Most meetings could just be an email. There's no real collaboration except managers or scrum masters asking what your blockers are but not actually doing anything about it. If I think the meeting will be a waste of my time I just don't show up.
  
  Take a print
- Hahaha!
  Fuckin epic!
- fuxk yea I get like an extra 30 mins a day at leastttt

What blows my mind is MS fucking bought Skype and somehow Teams still can't handle video calls correctly. The actual fuck did they do with that acquisition?
- Skype used to be peer to peer. Your call went from you to your friend (whomever). Microsoft decided that they couldn't mitm that setup to scrape data; so, soon after they acquired Skype, they made all calls go through their servers.
  Then they tried to make Skype make more money, since those servers aren't free. Then they made teams and copied half the code into that, and cludged the rest to make it hold together.
  
  In mean aside from the fact that almost all of that story is completely wrong, it’s a good story.
  Source: Used to work at Microsoft and worked a lot with people from the Skype team.
  
  Skype is fading fast. Thank God. Discord is already an internet standard.
- How the fuck did they let motherfucking Zoom take over. The video-call equivalent of "Googling" something was to "Skype." When Covid hit, Microsoft screwed the pooch horribly.
  My sister is super high ranking at Microsoft, and when she calls the family, she uses Zoom.
  
  I don't see "screwed the pooch" used much but it always is funny to me.
  
  The CEO of Skype would agree
- Well, I'm a unix guy for 30 years and hated M$ bill gates blablabla and forced to use windows at work etc. Teams was somewhat bad at the beginning, especially start of covid pandemic , I'm using Teams multiple times daily for ~5 years now. But since ~1 year it handles video call pretty nicely, 20+ feeds, share screens, whiteboard, etc. it's pretty stable at least, don't crash anymore, and we can have multiple accounts. It took times to reach this state I agree...
  
  In the past two years, I have had horrible issues where it decides that I'm not allowed to join the call because I have a Teams account logged into a different organization, that it won't let me log out of. An issue where Microsoft servers just time out if you have ipv6 enabled, etc.
  Don't get me started on Skype for Business. It's still around.
  
  Teams are losing parts of text chat conversations for me. Not sure if that's issue of their PWA on Linux or just an issue in general...
- I always say that the only reason they keep Skype alive is to make Teams appear good

Microsoft ~~Teams~~ is dog shit
That's all.
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  Bill Gates is en route to your location
  
  Oh dear god, no, what have I done
- Such a brave opinion on Lemmy you have balls if steel sir.
  
  If steel what?
  
  I don't understand reacting like this. Do you disagree? Do you think only people with opinions that aren't popular on whatever place they are should share them? Should no one ever say what many others are thinking?

Unpopular opinion: I actually like MS Teams
Look, I know this might get downvoted, but Teams is... actually fine? Yeah, it's not perfect, but it just works. The best part is that everyone and their grandma knows how to use it because it's the corporate standard around here.
I can't tell you how much time I've saved not having to do the whole "can you hear me? let me try reconnecting... oh wait try updating your browser" dance that happens with other platforms. My company recently switched to Google Meet and honestly? It's been a downgrade. Teams might not be the coolest kid on the block, but at least I'm not spending half my meetings troubleshooting audio and video issues.
- I hate teams because it consistently doesn't just work
  missed notifications, screensharing
  i have little use of it and it constantly breaks
  
  If you use something often you learn to handle the bugs and "it just works". If you use a product rarely then it's not gonna work as well
- I haven't really used any other platforms so I can't really compare but I have encountered enough audio issues too. Especially with new Teams and bluetooth devices.
  
  Same, Teams is terrible in terms of getting audio to work properly, our meetings still start with "can you hear me?" And often at least one person has to rejoin after pairing their bt headset again. But honestly everything else I've come across is even worse.
- For me "it just works" doesn't ring true. Generally at least once a day, I join a call and it won't let me unmute, and I have to restart Teams.
  Scrolling through history is obnoxiously slow.
  The activity feed is mostly useless, spammed with stuff that isn't important and it's the only place that vaguely tries to keep track of 'Teams' conversations.
  In my company, I've been added to about 70 Teams and it's pretty much impossible to interact with them, so as a result no one does, they all just start ad-hoc chats, since that's the only thing that vaguely gets managed in a way people can follow.
  When going cross-organization, it's a crap shoot whether or not we can use text, voice, and screen share/remote control. I know this is generally due to obnoxious company 'security' policies and other solutions have it, but it is a frustration. One recent call with a particularly screwed up company had us on two different meeting platforms at once as well as on an old fashioned conference call, because text was only allowed on one platform, screen share on another, and no audio was allowed on either (despite both supporting all three).
  Sure, Teams suffers, in part, because like all corporate tools it connects you to generally dysfunctional work communities. However it broadly does have it's own annoyances.
- Yeah, I have a similar experience, but it certainly lacks in features compared to other messengers. For example:
  chat - formatting is terrible, Slack is way better here
  groups - haven't bothered figuring them out, in Slack making a channel or group message is super natural
  resources - Teams eats RAM like crazy, Slack seems to be a bit more respectful
  recent chats/messages - I can never find what I'm looking for, with Slack it's simple
  I like the integration w/ Outlook because we're basically forced to use it at work, but Slack is way better for almost everything that doesn't interact directly w/ Outlook. So if it's not a scheduled meeting, I and my team much prefer Slack.
  
  Gotta say, formatting of text isn't a high priority for me... I'm pinging someone about a thing, I'm not writing a presentation. Adding emojis is about as much as I need 🤔
  And - to me - adding people to an adhoc group call / chat is straight forwards - and finding those conversations later is too
  But, I believe that there's a few Corp IT settings that can be adjusted (we've recently lost the ability to add gifs for example), so maybe that's what's going wrong.
  But we're a long way from AOL IM 😉
- I went from teams/ms at another business to google at my current one. If they changed to Microsoft anything I'd burn the place down.
  
  I went from outlook and office to Google suite (Gmail and Google docs). So, so much better. Maybe excel has more bells and whistles, but Google docs has everything I need and works so well everywhere. I would consider quitting if they dared to change to Microsoft.
  Regarding communication, we use Slack for text and zoom for video, and it's fine. I also have installed teams and Webex (for customers) and they are all okay-ish. Once I used bluejeans and audio quality was impressively better, but no one seems ot use it.
- With how much goddamn investor money they got it should be as close to perfect as possible, IMHO. We've had like 2 decades to perfect interacting online, I don't think its a technical challenge anymore.

"Your organization has blocked this action"
I mean this is my work phone, and I'm trying to copy a customer's phone number from a spreadsheet to the dialer, but thanks man.
- Not that I’m actually trying to defend MS/Teams (seriously, fuck ‘em both); but this is more due to IT Admin settings.
  We have similar in our company, that’s in place because we handle PIR data regularly and it’s meant to be a speed bump rather than full roadblock.
- For a long time, I would occasionally use my personal phone to check work email and Slack when I had to be out-of-office for an errand. They created a new policy last month that would force me to have a "work" profile on my phone if I wanted to continue using those apps. Fuck that. Instead I removed every work related app from my phone.
  "Sorry boss, I can't check my messages while waiting at my doctor's office anymore.Why? Oh, because IT policies won't let me."
  
  Your org letting you login to anything on your normal profile is crazy. Did you at least CYA?

The fact that me and a coworker can't both share our screens at the same time is absolutely batshit. 1x1 collaboration isn't even reasonable, nevermind anything more
- Yes. Why the fuck doesn’t Teams have this capability??
  
  Honestly, I like that it doesn't have it. We use Teams for meetings where one person is presenting, and if someone else wants to share, then we're going to switch presenters. Making sure everyone sees the same thing is important.
  We use Slack for 1:1 or other impromptu small group discussions, and it supports multiple people sharing their screens.
  So for us:
  Teams - larger group meetings with generally one presenter; collaboration happens via audio, not screen sharing
  Slack - smaller group meetings where there's a lot more active collaboration with screen sharing and whatnot
  I only use Teams for scheduled meetings and Slack for everything else.
- Try sharing anything except excel and enjoy your 3fps. Being a game dev and wanting to show videos or share my screen while playing is a no-go.
  
  Videos can work, but I think you need to enable some feature that prevents tearing. It works fine for people who frequently present with it, but I honestly just avoid videos in my presentations because I don't want to mess with it.

Ah, they're all crap.
Came to Teams from Slack, some upsides, some downsides. It's a corporate communication tool, I don't use it because I think it's beautiful and elegant, I use it because I get paid money to use it.
- What's wrong with slack?
  
  I've had limited experience with slack, but the whole way conversations map to workspaces at least got to be confusing to me, and I would have liked an experience based on me as a user, rather than having my user span workspaces and have to juggle them to figure out how to talk to whoever I'm supposed to talk to at the time.

I’m so tired of web engine based apps

The biggest mistake was to make it a "hub" for all sorts of other uses in my opinion. It shouldn't be browser based, it should be native and just focus on chatting and calls, that's it. It could be so much faster and intuitive.
- You mean like Skype for Business?
  
  You dare speak the name of the accursed one??
  
  You mean Lync?

I was expecting a detailed rant, including an example or two. “That’s all” is much, much funnier.
- Need a Explanation?
  (Gestures vaguely in the air)
  
  Microsoft Teams: Awww, come on, you just motioned all of me.

Spoken like a person who isn't forced to use JIRA
- We have that pile of dog shit as well!
  
  Let us not forget confluence
- We just switched to Jira and I hate how pedantic they let admins make it.
  Who in their right mind disables the "clone" option on issues 🤦‍♂️
- Spoken like someone who hasn't had to use both!
- Jira seems more consistent than Teams, and I'm in more control of Jira too.

I keep a Teams tab and an Outlook tab opened in Firefox on Linux at work, and I feel like I have a better experience than most people using it on windows, which seems crazy.
- Does your voice calling work ok in Firefox? My video calls start off ok but always seem to drop out after a short bit. I wonder if it's Firefox or my 30 privacy and security extensions lol
  
  Yeah, our daily stand ups are via Teams (international team too) and it works pretty smoothly.
  One oddity I’ve noticed is that when working from home and on (fast) Wi-Fi, it will hang for a moment and say the connection has an issue, but then be fine for the rest of the call. When I’m in the office in don’t think I’ve seen it do that.
  
  I run teams in Firefox and it's fine. Audio and camera are stable for hours. You can use a private window to test if it's your extensions
  
  I use Teams on linux on the desktop with no firefox. You might try that.

Is there a Microsoft product that isn't?
To be fair, Teams is pretty bad even for MS. I've never seen something do so relatively little and still perform so poorly. When I switched jobs and got to use Slack it was like a great fog being lifted off of my being.
- VS Code. That's it though.
  
  You may know already, but you should try VSCodium. At least they took the Micro$hit telemetry out!
  
  Ah yes, you're right.
  I guess a better qualifier might be: closed-source Microsoft products tend overwhelmingly to suck.
  
  Powertoys too
  
  VS Code is OK if you can't afford the JetBrains ultimate subscription. I never want to see a VS Code launch configuration again.
  
  WSL was my gateway drug to Linux. It's neat. Until it isn't.
  
  TypeScript isn't terrible. It's extra work to set up, but it makes JavaScript codebases somewhat more maintainable.
  
  They've been cramming random stuff in that though that's making it more laggy. Recently switched to Zed and it's so much faster.
  
  Visual Studio for live .NET debugging and the WPF live editor.
  
  Some C/C++ extension process once reduced my laptop to a crawl, and I couldn't close VS Code, so I killed the process through the task manager, simple enough, right?
  Long story short, I started smelling burning plastic and saw that, somehow, there was no VS Code process, but the extension had a separate process that was still running at full speed doing idk what. I almost burned myself when I picked up my laptop. So I'm not very happy when I see VS Code
- Excel, Active Directory, and to a somewhat lesser degree MSSQL.
  
  Excel?! Have to respectfully disagree on that one.
- Sadly I had to go the other way, from Slack to Teams. Oh the horror!!
  
  How about Zoom to Teams?
  
  For your sacrifices, I salute you
- I must be the only one who prefers Teams over Slack. I just don’t like its design. Nothing makes sense to me in how it operates. But then again, Trams runs fine for me. No slow downs or deleting things that others have mentioned.
- Excel?
- I have an old Microsoft brand thumb drive that fits perfectly into my ass and makes me nut every time
- C#, technically not a product but it's pretty great. The first few Xboxes, but that's going back a bit.
  Windows pre 8.
  Microsoft Excel is goat for spreadsheets.
  Erm. Can't think of any more.
  
  Windows 8.1 was great, you just have to enable the start button and disable Metro. It's basically a faster Windows 7.

It's still better than WebEx because I don't have to log in to that piece of shit software to start a video call.
- fucking WebEx
- I shudder when I go to an Apple meeting because they use Webex. (Shudder)
- WebEx Teams (now just WebEx?) is leaps better... In that it works.
- I actually like Webex better because the audio doesn't get choppy where I'm from. For Teams to have good audio, I've had to call from my mobile, and I get charged for that.
  
  WebEx also has audio settings which teams doesn't

I work in IT. I think it's popular because it's "free".
With that said, I put up a picture on the office wall of a Swiss army knife with features like syringe, fire extinguisher, axe, etc and have it labeled Microsoft Teams. Yes, it can do 100 different tasks, fucking poorly.
- Exactly. Every time I mention some feature I like from Slack to a coworker of mine who loves Teams, they point out how to accomplish the same task, but it's less intuitive, feature poor, and comes with a handful of caveats. But it can do them, and I guess if you're used to it, it can be pretty productive.

Since I have not seen anyone mention this problem yet: Teams doesn't let you mute other people in a call for yourself. Obviously also no volume control per person. Imagine sitting next to your coworker in a teams meeting and having to deal with hearing them twice with like 20 ms delay. Awful.

I mean, with winter coming in, and universities not bothering to heat the building, teams turning my potato work laptop into a furnace is the only thing keeping us warm this winter...
Serious question - is their long term strategy bad optimisation to sell hardware? Do they have shares in intel or something?!?

You put more effort into this post than M$ did to their product

that is because theyre selling it to the business, not the end user. They dont give 2 fucks about your experience

I don’t care. I’ll take anything that maintains staff meetings from home. Before COVID they were 90% in person.
- Yup. It’s got a stupid amount of bloat for what it is used for, but it’s aggressively “okay.”
  Will take it everyday of the week instead of taking meetings in person.
  
  "aggressively okay" is the best description i've ever head of MS teams
  
  Yup, it does exactly what I want it to do: link scheduled meetings to my Outlook calendar (corp requirement) and let me join from a notification box. We have Slack for everything else.
  It's not great, but it's certainly okay. Call quality is fine, the chat is crappy but gets the job done (supports links, files, and plain text, which is enough), and audio/camera settings are surprisingly decent. It works well for our use-case, which is scheduled meetings. Impromptu (i.e. useful) meetings happen over Slack.

I have a Jabra Headset (now retired) that literally has a MS Teams logo on the side and is market as "Teams compatible". As you might have guessed, Teams is the only VC app were I regularly have to switch betwen inputs to get the headset to work during a call.
- Every. Fucking. Meeting. Why can't teams just default to my system default.
  
  My only solution was to literally disable all other at the OS level.
- "Works with teams. But most times. Some times."

The file/document integration is based on SharePoint. Shit built on top of a nice pile of manure
Edit: and don't get me started on the teams android app which requires access to all your media if you try to share a single image. If you share it as a file attachment however it's completely fine. No you're not getting access to my files and pictures MS, keep your filthy adware fingers off my data
- Fun fact: internet explorer was originally built off the File Explorer.
  I kinda stopped following programming for windows a decade ago. But in sure there is some ancient code from 30 years ago that is holding some critical files together.
  
  Really? Why? Anything they might share would be shared with any codebase for a window application right?
  
  Hah, that's an interesting tidbit
  
  Internet Explorer was originally based upon the Mosaic browser. Like a lot of Microsoft's tech, it's something they acquired.
  Up to IE4, it was a standalone browser. It's IE4 where Microsoft integrated it into the OS and made do double duty as Windows Explorer, which is what you're thinking of.

No, no! Dogshit sometimes fertilizes and promotes growth. Microsoft teams is poison.
- For the budding gardeners who might see this, do not use dogshit as fertilizer for the plants you eat.
- Hey, poison has it's uses too, unlike Teams.

My company has teams and slack and IT wants to switch to all teams. The thread where they announced this had to be locked. :D I don't know how a trillion dollar company can't get this right. Worst yet the bundle that shit with everything and overworked IT depts pick it by default.

Unfortunately, much better than Skype
- It’s possible to be worse?
  
  Oh fuck yeah. Skype used to throw errors when the advertisements scripts didn't run correctly. I remember getting dozens of pop ups when the ad changed to something new. To my knowledge, they haven't put ads in Teams, yet. They first need to kill the competition a bit; really set the hook before they reel you in.
- I miss that ringtone though.
  
  The "boop beeep boop... Beee-ooop beep" one?
- Skype was a steaming pile for sure, but it had the ability to search for and message a distribution group and get an answer from whomever was available and I could pin it for future use. Now I have to know every name in a group and message them individually until I find someone to help or start a meeting to get everyone at once. It may just be how our Teams instance is configured, but I miss that feature. And who decided there should be a limit on how many people I can pin in Teams?
  
  The real Skype was fine.
  This Skype, I think, is just an ugly version of Teams.
  
  I mean, Skype now is just a turd. I guess it was given to interns as an exercise and as a way to force people to use other solution. But teams also suck, in its own particular way as you described

Honestly I don't know how it is even possible to make such a dog shit product. I think my first webrtc tutorial app works better than this piece of shit.
- I hate teams and have to use it for work . They insist on having all the important documents I need accessed through teams instead of just putting them in a folder .
  
  Your IT team is doing it wrong then. You can map SharePoint sites directly to file explorer. Now that brings on a whole different set of issues ala OneDrive, which IMO is an even steamier pile of shit, but still - it's better than going straight through Teams

I dont know.. SharePoint has pissed me the hell off too, its a close one

I mean , works for me. You know what is complete bullshit?
SKYPE. Using that in a work environment is a nightmare

i hate ms with every fiber of my being, but teams has gotten better. it used to be practically unusable. now its just mostly so
- There’s a huge Teams outage right now. I have to use it at work and it makes me want to jump face first into a wood chipper.
  
  Is that regional? Ours is working fine out in the midwest.
  
  My company is currently forcibly migrating off of Slack to Teams. It's so heartbreaking...
- I do not believe anyone at Microsoft actually uses it because if they did there's no way in hell that they would have let it be that bad.
  It literally keeps every single conversation you've ever had in a big long list on the left, with absolutely no way to organize it, categorize it, order it, or in any way manage it other than deleting history, that's it you can delete history.
  
  Microsoft's design philosophy in any of their products has gone from well organized menus to relying instead on a search bar. Copilot is a further addition to that design, with yet more pushes to never use a menu, but instead just tell it what you want and have it spit it back out. They want everything you make to go on OneDrive as well, so it can also be indexed this way. Teams works the same way. The big search bar at the top is unavoidable.
  Windows search is complete garbage, which you might think is a counterpoint, but instead it's just that they only put work into having it serve results for cloud-indexed items or web results.
  
  It literally keeps every single conversation you've ever had in a big long list on the left,
  Not all of them, actually. I regularly have to use the search function to find chats/groups I haven't used in a bit. The most organization you can do is the dozen pinned threads they let you have.
  
  I believe they will never allow users to delete entire chats like that because it will cause mass panic for users and managers, particularly. You already have users doing dumb shit like deleting files accidentally. And more than that, you’ll have managers getting upset that users may be doing it on purpose like “omg I never saw that message! 😱 “
  Deleting your own stuff is easy and okayed because it’s not an easy process and it involves multiple steps.
  
  with absolutely no way to organize it, categorize it, order it, or in any way manage it other than deleting history
  But you can pin any chat and you can reorder any pinned chat (and maybe even non-pinned ones - I haven't checked).
- I've had nothing but issues with it since their "upgrade" over the last year or so. It keeps cycling between the new and old versions when I open it, it often closes itself on my PC, and every time I try to pin it to my Taskbar it disappears.
  
  The auto closing is driving me insane.
  I have 3 different computers I use on a daily and each of them encounter this issue multiple times each week. A meeting starts and I have to go start up Teams and wait for it to fully open to join the call. Or I have someone cold call me and I don’t get the call on my computer and won’t even after opening Teams.
  They can do a full refresh and release new features to make it look pretty but nothing has been done to address this issue that has been ongoing since day 1 of this “new Teams” refresh.
- We used to use it before switching to Google Workspace (don't get me started on how much I hate that), and Teams wasn't too bad. But it had two things going for it then:
  It was replacing Skype for Business which never should existed because it was so awful. Compared to SfB, literally anything was an improvement.
  At the time, it was basically a Slack clone that didn't have everything and the kitchen sink bolted on yet and was decently lightweight if you used the browser version.
  
  Out of the frying pan and into the fire!
  To be fair, you are right about SfB. My previous job used that

I have an office account for work. I don’t happen upon the troubles people report here. I couldn’t leave MS as I basically use all their stuff for work (and so do the several other hundreds of employees here). But teams does work well: texting, videocalls with 100s of participants, recording meetings, file repositories
I use teams every day. My only gripe recently is the messages like “look the wonderful things we did to improve it” that I didn’t need and will probably never use, but I press the little X don’t know don’t care

Out of curiosity are any similar products actually good? My company uses Webex and frankly I'd rather use teams.

It's the Sharepoint of chat.
- Ironically enough it creates Sharepoints for each of your groups.
  
  It's SharePoint all the way down

Of all the Microsoft products I’m forced to use for work, teams is by far the best. It still sucks. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck monopolies.

I love how they rolled out the new upgraded Teams and it's still awful!

Fuck Microsoft. But first, Fuck Google, Fuck Amazon, Fuck Facebook. I am sure I could think of a few more that are worse than Microsoft, as bad as they are.

Microsoft spent billions acquiring Skype only for us to be left with Teams

They make use it at my job. I hate it.

Microsoft ~~Teams~~ is dog shit
FTFY

Genuinely the single worst messaging app I've ever used. Worse than Skype, which is crazy because Microsoft owns that too.

It sucks, it doesn't work properly in Firefox, so I have keep it open in a Chromium window too. This morning I saw new messages in my Chromium but not in Firefox until I reloaded the page. I wonder what other information it's keeping from me.

It's the worst and has been running like total crap for years. Even Skype for business worked better. Luckily it is better than Cisco Jabber or Webex.

Is there any video chat service that isn't? It seems every single one has some glaring issue that makes it a pain to use. And it's not like I could just use a FOSS thing that's better; this is one of those things where you are kinda limited to using what everyone else you're going to be talking to is using. :(
- I initially hated Zoom, but honestly, it did its job really well
  
  Yeah same, I remember initially feeling the Outlook integration was extremely clunky, for example, but there's a big simplicity to being able to grab a recurring meeting link and then just attach it to any meeting regardless of whether it's rescheduled or has an unusual pattern.
  Teams is much more annoying in this regard since it pretty much requires calendar integration for the meeting to work. Trying to set up any new meeting regenerates the meeting link, and it's maddening. Like just let these two things not be connected if I want.
- WebEx is night and day better than everything else imo. The only advantage teams has is NDI, but otherwise it's a complete joke in every other comparison.

What is crazy is that Mac version is more stable than windows in my experience. Still shit, though

lmao, based. Discord too.

What's bad about it? I'm a Linux admin by nature but an admin of all by profession and overall I have no real complaints about Teams. Has always worked just fine for me and to my knowledge everyone else.
- Slow, buggy, annoying interface, hogs extreme amounts of resources locally, can be used to spy on its users.
  What's not to like? It's basically how Elon envisions X, an "everything app" that is actually good at nothing specific.
- Agreed. It feels a bit janky here and there but otherwise works ok.
  But don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t say I like it.
  
  It's missing basic features. The stuff that any normal human would assume it can do it just can't do. It's absolutely terrible if you use it in a large organization where you have to speak to multiple different people.
  For one-on-one conversations I guess it's okay but the moment you try and get anything more complicated than that going on it becomes a nightmare.
- I haven’t used competing apps to know, but as a forced teams user it is very sluggish, seems to break other ms apps half the time and has some strange and persistent design choices that irk me. It also crashes on its own, when I’m not using it 2-3 times a day.
  It has improved in terms of features lately, but still feels very bloated and WIP most of the time. It still won’t let me control where video windows are, and I’ll never understand this.
  This is our replacement for Skype, which was obviously feature deficient and getting old, but does what it’s supposed to do and doesn’t cause problems.
  Not sure if there’s a good competing app in terms of video and slack functionality, integration into outlook and onedrive (both of which also annoy me and seem to be performing worse-over-time, but are unavoidable and sometimes useful.)

Next you'll tell me the sky is blue.
- If we were on Teams right now I may not have received this snarky message.

Trying to play a video in a meeting results in 2009 levels of choppiness. It's insane.
- They really need to fix that. I hate that. Not even 2009 levels, it just straight up sounds like a dial-up modem.

Screen shared coding with 1 fps. Genius.
Can't even see animations, quick actions, or significant subtleties.

We user / have used Slack, Zoom, Meet/Gchat and a VERY brief trial of teams.
We have O365 AND Google Workspaces so we get teams and meet for free.
Zoom is the best to host a large meeting with a split presence. It's the best at dealing with variably poor connections. It shines on being able to share any specific app and sound control.
Meet is the best for small, low-friction meetings. However, it is hampered by its inability to share anything but browser tabs with sound, poor camera control, and poor user display.
Slack is a fantastic, too-flexible chat system with organizational issues. When it works, it works pretty well. However, it has intermittent video and mic problems on many systems. It is not good on poor connections and occasionally not good on fast connections.
Teams is bloated, many systems run it poorly, and there is an unacceptable amount of server-imposed downtime/issues.
- I've personally never had an issue with Slack, mic/video included. My connection has always been solid, though. Never tried on a shit connection.
  
  we have 60 ppl, it varies
- You can share windows and entire screen with Meet.
  
  not with sound

As with all things in business, good enough is king
I actually don't mind it being web based, there are a lot of web based tools that run perfectly fine and don't use that much resource
Teams is generally stable for me running the pwa in Microsoft edge nowadays too

Outlook 2010 is better than this new office 365 shit too.

Am I the only one that prefers it to Slack?

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