Fringe ideologies attract fringe people
Fringe ideologies attract fringe people
This is what happens when we dont have basic rights like universal healthcare or stable jobs. And the "lesser evil" political party has nothing to offer besides vague phony optimism.
More and more people are being pushed to the fringe right due to the failures of capitalism.
We need better.
So I ask you this in return, how does it feel to look at the monster you created?
denied us our birthright
Denied our birthright to free vbucks bro
"Corrupted our hobbies" let me guess. Its a
Nah, it's a warhammer dipshit, and everyone knows that warhammer "fans" never actually play the game because they're too busy bitching about women custodes.
Average warhammer enjoyer: I am a power gamer and also cheat, all my armies are commission painted because I just want whatever is top of the meta on any given week, also the imperium of man is not satire it is actually awesome
Me: I just like to glue elves together and paint them at a rate of about 5 figures per year. plastic machine go brrr
I JUST WANTED TO LOOK AT ANIME TITTIES AND F*TA BUT YALL HAD TO MAKE IT POLITICAL
This certainly sounds like a child.
Definitely a professional quote-maker
this shit is so pathetic
Right?
"I BECAME A NAZI BECAUSE YOU SAID MEAN THINGS ABOUT ME! I'M TOTALLY NORMAL!"
Pathetic, clueless crap.
our birthright
That birthright being video game boobs
this is so funny because there's never been a better time in history for enjoyers of video game boobs. who cares if it's in the base game? there's mods, rule34s, source filmmaker porn, e-girl cosplayers, and now with AI you can easily generate all the vidya smut your horny little ass desires
like our society literally could not cater more to the fantasies of the straight male gooner gamer and they're still mad??
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calling other people Hitler Youth
imagine putting the palestine flag next to the people aiding their genocide and a bunch of fucking nazis
liberals are wild
What no material analysis does to a mfr
This is just online gen zs imo
Terminally online fs
Isn't that all Gen z at this point?
terminally online, then
White ones too
Brocoli hair is not an "immutable characteristic"
Edit: * charactaristic
“Corrupted our hobbies” lol. What a loser. What exactly is their “birthright” I wonder
Other people's labor and adoration, of course.
the look i give when [ideology] is not mainstream
What a loser lmao. I was a misanthropic teenager and even I wasn't this cringe lol. If I'm giving teenage me props you've basically hit maximum loser points
corrupted our hobbies
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There is a reason this demographic is 20-25, because they are a bunch of entitled coddled man-children who finally had contact with the cold harsh reality and they can't cope. You grow out of it and later see it as cringe.
Racists that spend all their time playing Fortnite and [new fad] aren't the Hitler Youth, they are just atomized reactionary liberals.
Fascists arose in opposition to socialists. They were supported by the bourgeoisie, particularly the petty bourgeoisie, to fight a left that was ascendant and asserting people's power, taking over cities and taking over factories. With the liberal institutions failing to guarantee bourgeois control, the armed right wing gangs bringing violence against the left were the only other game in town and were funded accordingly. This is how organized crime basically functions as well - it is just filling a space where the state monopoly on violence has been undermined. And later fascistic groups filled a similar role, like with Pinochet, who restored the (largely international) bourgeoisie's capital control in Chilé through a coup and terror.
Nothing like this is happening in the United States. The United States does not have a left, there are too few of us. All of this is happening without a left and without a bourgeoisie that has been dispossessed. Accordingly, there are no brownshirts, not in any real numbers. They have nothing they would defend in retribution anyways.
But there are other factors that rhyme a bit so that you see what we have in front of us. There is a material decline, particularly for the least marginalized groups, and it requires a false consciousness under liberalism. The classic scapegoating of minorities is not a fascist invention, liberals were doing this long before and after European fascism. And with no left, the only people who could be mass opponents to violence against the marginalized are liberals, and they do so in an ineffectual liberal way. Providing no solutions, not addressing the underlying dynamics at play, destroying the education system, funding and owning social media that blasts right wing conteny while doing their best to censor left content, emphasizing electoralism for their ghouls, these are the liberal "solutions". They create the conditions for reactionaries to exist, feed into their scapegoating (Dems have always been racist and xenophobic, e.g.), use their power to punch left instead of right.
So what you see today is more the typical liberal order in empire where no left exists. It is a resetting of the terms to the more typical arrangement. "Progress" is not inevirable, it can be crushed and reset, all it tajes is for those in power to have no real fear of the people. And the American people are almost the least fearsome they have ever been, though there are undercurrents of riots that could break out during a recession. If left organizations were just large enough and just ready enough, they would be able to provide direction and longevity for the next mass expression of pain and frustration.
"There's nothing as toxic as unmet expectations."
Part of the problem here is that white cis hetero males are still bathed in sense that they should be on top of the pile throughout childhood and are suddenly getting dropped out of high school into a world where that's no longer the case. Stable jobs and healthcare will help but I think this is also a situation where a cultural shift needs to happen.
I think it's not even 100% a superiority thing, but the loss of position, purpose, place.
Stable jobs and healthcare would do so much to defuse the "I need to outcompete/hobble everyone else to WIN" grindset hustle mentality.
In my field (a "successful" one in the modern economy), the conventional wisdom is to intentionally change jobs every two years or so to get a bigger raise than loyalty yields. Other fields have either intentional high turnover or mismanagement that sabotages long-term employment. Nobody develops a pride of position and it creates more easily replacable workers. Of course this ripples to "nobody even stays in the same neighbourhood anymore" as we Grapes of Wrath ourselves across the map looking for opportunity.
If you aren't forced to chase the ever-moving brass ring, maybe you can find satisfaction in being part of long-lived communities which encourage mutual support. If you know your needs are going to be taken care of, different faces and lifestyles are less of a risk to destabilize your world.
This is what happens when we don't have basic rights like universal healthcare or stable jobs. And the "lesser evil" political party has nothing to offer besides vague phony optimism.
More and more people are being pushed to the fringe right due to the failures of capitalism.
Nah.
These are just right-wing psychos.
You don't need to analyze literally everything through the lens of "the more-right-wing party won the latest bourgeoisie election which means everyone but me is right-wing".
Maybe there's a case for left-wing propaganda not being widespread enough. But even in that case, I don't think "capitalism is bad and causes all our problems" is some secret thing that young people have never heard.
I don't think it's a bad theory, although maybe there's some recency bias in bringing up current US electoral politics to try to explain something much more general. Reactionary antisocial behavior is a consequence of alienation, i.e. people are pushed to the fringes because of capitalism's failure to maintain the social bonds that stops people from becoming misanthropic edgelords like OOP.
Some people really want to moralize and get defensive when materialist explanations are given.
We need to understand what causes fascists to exist if we want to eradicate them after all, and just believing they're an eternal evil of the universe doesn't help that. It's not about whether they are good or bad, we are going to have to deal with them they stand in our way, and we want to study the phenomena and conditions of their absurd existence so we can prevent future fascists from developing once we take power.
Plus I think socialized medicine and healthcare would help a lot of problems fix themselves. Lets be real, a lot of these people are just sick in the head qnd desperately need help they probably cant afford. Im sure some of them would refuse but just having free access to that help would definitely have a positive long term impact.
I definitely agree to some extent. Theres always people youll judt never save.
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This is why we need Stalin 🙂
The annoying shit about this is Dems are going to use this as an excuse to be more fascist "Huh, I guess the people want Nazism so we'll be more Nazi then." Instead of realising these people are the product of right-wing propaganda mixed with a capitalist dystopia that doesn't address their material conditions.
Not sure what to make of the concept of Hitler of someone with that flag line up.
Whose supposed to be the bad one? Both of them?
Talks about crazed idealogues Jumps to ahistorical nonsense
Talks about hating immutable characteristics Is hitler youth
If his mind were a car he'd get killer prices at a used car dealership because he doesn't use his it very much.
I have a hot take. This person is not entirely wrong. I do think men to a certain degree have been ignored or vilified. In some cases it is rightfully justified however every unjust case adds to the fringe and outcast. I think this thread is a good example of this as most comments are thinking with emotion and calling this person childish or someone with no claims to 'birthright' (I'll admit it sounds stupid to me too). As for hobbies I will say that games for example have gotten worse. Which could be due to 'woke' being added in or more likely due to shitty companies making worse games with diverse themes hastily slapped on to hide its problems. Rather than addressing this in a balanced manner critics are told to grow up or that the games are for 'modern audiences' (basically the same story repeated in other hobbies. No wonder they are defensive). And most importantly I think men have lost their original role in society as the providers. This isn't a bad thing as more equal is more good, but it leaves a large portion of the population with no purpose and a general feeling of being lost. If things are to change we should be open to finding and considering other possibilities to convince young men to pursue, rather than heading down the path to extremism. Maybe work towards a more frictionless situation to avoid such a massive divide.
Tldr; I think by shutting this down without any consideration is part of what contributes to this rampart extremist crowd.
Part of the problem is that we haven't really progressed towards equality. There are plenty of women workers, yes. Not sure if it's 'more' than before, taking into account all types of paid work, nevermind all the unpaid work. But women are often still seen in the workplace primarily as women and will be pushed out quicker than you can blink as soon as a 'women's issue' comes up.
Unfortunately, women are still expected to do 'women's' work. If the are in paid employment, they rarely get time off for childcare, child illness, school pick up, maternity leave, the menopause, etc. It's either cut down hours if the employer will allow it or leave work. If women rarely get that kind of time off, it's worse for men who don't want the women in their lives doing all the housework, etc. Men in a 'nuclear family' can try to 'support' their wives but the system will beat them back into submission as the patriarch. Due to gender pay gaps and the cost of living, the choice between who cuts down their hours or stays at home is a superficial choice.
Men still generally are treated as if they're the breadwinner. But they have none of the opportunities and even the good ones who question the patriarchy will run face first into a brick wall unless they or their partner is already highly privileged.
GOOD post
Death to America
I pretty much agree with this sentiment. However its a stance that's a fallacy. Deciding that the first problem isn't solved yet isn't a reason to completely dismiss other issues, as all that does is create a new problem generations later. My concern is people are too quick to shut down what others feel even if rationally its not a valid stance, rather than trying to educate or understand. It is true after all no one is 100% right 100% of the time. That includes you and me.
As for Mr death to america, I think you underestimate the importance of not treading over things that feel important to others. Just because you may not care doesn't mean that it won't matter to them. Basically I would say individuals like you are some of the forefronts of pushing people further and further apart, and I would implore you to reconsider this approach.
I don't get why everyone in gaming has to be so obsessed with the brand new stuff. It's so expensive paying $70 for the latest whatever, and that's before adding the "battle pass" and DLC and having to upgrade your PC or go for a new console.
Dudes have literally tens of thousands of games that cater to them available right now across decades of hardware and consoles!
No one is forcing you to play the new Dragon Age... go play Sonic. Or Peggle. Or read a book?
fuck that, anybody who's become even 1% misogynistic because of the change in quality in fucking video games should be thrown in prison
Death to America
Men are ignored and vilified because of the patriarchal systems that are created to serve them; specifically ones are rewarded for viewing society as a zero-sum game with other people; especially women and minorities; as stepping blocks to power. Did all men participate and create this? No. Do all men inadvertently benefit from this? Somewhat.
So, in order to deal with these problems...it takes a huge chunk of self-reflection. It takes a lot of criticism; accepting it from others and actually taking time to do it to yourself. What's the old saying? You can lead a horse to water? That most certainly applies here. You can try to be a constructive, deal with the problem gently; but a good chunk of these types are irredeemably in the "women-hating, blame-all-minorities" national libertarian phase.
"I will say that games for example have gotten worse. Which could be due to ‘woke’ being added in or more likely due to shitty companies making worse games with diverse themes hastily slapped on to hide its problems." Concorde wasn't bad because of woke or diverse themes. Concorde was bad because it was a shit game. Most of these games are just shit.
"Rather than addressing this in a balanced manner critics are told to grow up or that the games are for ‘modern audiences"" Companies not listening to consumers? Say it ain't so. Critics in this field are also usually hopped up on national libertarian bullshit. If they're using "woke" and "diversity" as angles to critique instead of the actual gameplay/mechanics itself, then they have an obvious agenda.
"And most importantly I think men have lost their original role in society as the providers. This isn’t a bad thing as more equal is more good, but it leaves a large portion of the population with no purpose"
In response, here's a quote I like:“The word Familia did not originally signify the ideal of our modern philistine, which is a compound of sentimentality and domestic discord. Among the Romans, in the beginning, it did not even refer to the married couple and their children, but to the slaves alone. Famulus means a household slave and familia signifies the totality of slaves belonging to one individual. The expression was invented by the romans to describe a new social organism, the head of which had under him wife and children and a number of slaves, under Roman paternal power, with power of life and death over them all.” ― Friedrich Engels, The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State
"If things are to change we should be open to finding and considering other possibilities to convince young men to pursue"
We do. We have. I'm GenZ. We don't shut down these things without consideration. You're on a communist shitposting instance; none of these GenZ "right-wing males" are on here. Generally, we will vocalize disgust or make memes mocking them because this isn't a space to convert twitter-terminally-online warhammer fans who think woke means different skin colors. Most of that work we do in real life, with our neighbors/community or at the organizations we work in. As one user said...this is the "bar that communists go after a meeting".
I do think you make valid points yet I would hesitate to say all men benefit from the patriarchy as I personally know individuals who have had it about as bad as it gets, from having a single mother to low income and bad education and being forced to be a breadwinner for the family just to survive. Is this the norm, no but patriarchy is also not the end all be all, and pretending it is would be a disservice to those who are in the worst situations. Its no wonder the voter demographics for right wing young men were overwhelmingly of the lower income and uneducated sector. (Again this would be valid for women as well, but pretending someone's problems don't exist is sure to win their support...)
You hit the nail on the head for concord and I absolutely agree about the agenda, however the industry is not clean with sbi and other degenerate problems that lead to identity politics and such being dragged in. So they cannot be dismissed as just companies being bad, there are definitely individuals who misguidedly defend and propogate this due to feeling they owe the game for including diverse themes. The solution to this I don't know, but attacking critics of it hardly helps those who have watched franchises from their memories die a painful death. As a show of faith I would say a game that does diversity well is Metaphor Refantazio. They don't make their characters unlikeable to fit a narrative but they heavily talk about discrimination and heavy topics without it feeling forced. So maybe figure out how they managed it and try and replicate it?
I do appreciate your quote by Engels, I've never heard of it but its a very interesting factiod, so thanks :) and you're right. I'm preaching to the bar, but I was pretty surprised at how one-sided it was, about as bad as twitter sometimes. So yeah, I just wanted to provide a different perspective.
