Shot at him and put him in the hospital and police refuse to do anything until a lawyer was involved
Shot at him and put him in the hospital and police refuse to do anything until a lawyer was involved
He's finally arrested.
Minneapolis police are now facing heavy criticism for not arresting Sawchak before the shooting even though he had multiple complaints.
Members of the Minneapolis City Council, including Mayor Jacob Frey, pointed blame at the Minneapolis police department for not acting on any of the prior complaints against Sawchak and failing to arrest him immediately after the shooting. https://newsone.com/5658819/white-man-shoots-black-neighbor-minneapolis/
MPD told the HCAO they do not intend to execute the warrant ‘for reasons of officer safety,'” the Minneapolis City Council said in a letter.
This... this boggles. This is almost Uvalde-level cowardice. What's the point of gifting military armored vehicles, gear, weapons, and training to police departments if they won't use them to <checks article> execute an arrest warrant for attempted murder?
The command structure responsible needs to be regifted to other agencies that are bad at Google searches.
Oh, didn't you know? The police are under NO requirement to protect at the individual level.
The Supreme Court of the United States explained that it is a “fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.”
yes, they need all their tactical gear, cars, salaries and guns taken away if they refuse to do their jobs. Issue them some etch a sketches and chromebooks.
"We had no reason to suspect he would shoot the victim from inside his house."
Um. OK. Finish that thought?
"We just assumed, after repeated threats to do so, he would shoot him from outside his house, so you can see where our confusion arose. When he shot from inside, we didn't know that to do. Who would? Is it even illegal to shoot your neighbors, if you do it while inside your house? Truly a question for the ages. We had to consult attorneys about this. They said that while it's probably perfectly legal, we should probably take him in for questioning just in case.
But, again, given this completely novel new concept of shooting from -- and I want to repeat this so everyone sees why this was so confusing for us -- inside his house, we worried for the safety of our officers, because we have no training for something this radically different. Fortunately the poor fellow did walk outside, and we of course immediately arrested him. He was outside his house at that point, you see?"
castle doctrine still has some validity in the modern age (IMO especially when it comes to shooting feds) and has hundreds of years of precedent.
This is how you get people to engage in "self help." i.e. "I'm going to burn this motherfucker's house down with him inside."
Yeah, my initial reaction was "well if he's willing to shoot me I might as well shoot back". But thinking about it, I'm a white cis man, I can't imagine being in a situation like that and knowing that if I did retaliate I would more than likely be the one persecuted by the police.
Just disappear him. You don't know shit. No evidence of anything
From the article:
Minnesota Senator Omar Fateh also called out MPD, demanding an independent investigation.
What are the chances of that "independent investigation" going nowhere due to "external factors"?
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Call me crazy, but if you point a gun at a neighbor for any reason other than being attacked, you probably shouldn’t be allowed to have guns.
Brandishing is a crime. The issue here is it isn't being enforced.
WHAT THE FUCK
Pointing guns at people is an exceptionally great way to get fuckin' shot. I can think of no better way to all but guarantee you get shot than to point a gun at someone else.
I can think of no better way to all but guarantee you get shot than to point a gun at someone else.
Foraging in your whitetail deer fursuit durring hunting season is about the only way I can think of.
Yeah that made me have a thought. John Oliver did an episode on "stand your ground" ages ago, and reading that guy's message, asking "what he can do", I'm forced to conclude that for him, in the US, in that situation, it would probably be best to get a gun himself and the next time the guy does something like this, just two to the chest.
Seeing he has a restraining order and whatnot previous things, probably should be somewhat of an easy case to defend as self-defense, right? Unless it's just even fucking sadder, and it is just because he's black and he'd just end up imprisoned for murder.
God the world is shit nowadays where shall we congregate a force to have a teensy weensy global revolution?
MN is not a stand your ground state. If you are threatened in public then you have a duty to retreat if able. However, MN is a castle doctrine state so if someone threatens you on your property then you are perfectly clear to use any reasonable means up to and including lethal force to defend yourself and your property. So your initial idea only works in MN if the threat took place on his own property of if he is unable to get away from the threat.
Unfortunately, that would probably just result in him drowning in legal fees. Killing someone, even if it is completely justifiable in self-defense, is extremely expensive. Like, 6 figures expensive. That said, this man is going to fucking kill him so....also I guess even if he doesn't, now he has medical fees anyway.
Jesus Christ what an all around fucked situation :(
... for him, in the US, in that situation, it would probably be best to get a gun himself and the next time the guy does something like this, just two to the chest. ... Seeing he has a restraining order and whatnot previous things, probably should be somewhat of an easy case to defend as self-defense, right? Unless it's just even fucking sadder, and it is just because he's black and he'd just end up imprisoned for murder.
"Imprisoned for murder" might still be on the optimistic side of potential outcomes... He could well be murdered himself, by the police, in reponse to what you and I see as self-defense. (I am guessing from the "in the US" part of your comment and other context that you aren't from here, and may not be aware of the history of institutionalized racism that would make any interaction with the police potentially dangerous for him. Forgive me if I have erred there.)
John Oliver did an episode on "stand your ground" ages ago
Doesn't require stand your ground, unless you could reasonably flee the attacker. If they've got a gun it's not too hard to argue that you couldn't reasonably flee or they'd shoot you in the back.
Stand your ground just removes the duty to try to get away from an attacker if possible, and is only the law in some states.
Agree. It's even on camera (assuming this goes down in the front yard)
Vengeance is what happens when the system doesn't provide justice.
“He should not have been shot, but I will say this: We had no reason to suspect that he would shoot the neighbor from inside the house.”
The man who was being very aggressively territorial wouldn't shoot someone from inside his house?
No, they assumed he would go outside first.
They were really caught off guard by that and are frankly a little disappointed with the assailant.
Minneapolis City Council needs to take charge of this and clean house. Police aren't going to do it themselves, so the holder of the pursestrings is the one ultimately responsible.
Nah. Too little, too late. Send the DOJ. The City Council should separately be investigated.
The feds are already investigating the police there. They have been on a long time operation, and it is expected that it will conclude in a manner in which a lot of the department will change hands when it is over
Frey has vetoed any attempt to hold their feet to the fire.
Once again, armed white criminals have more rights than unarmed innocent POC in this country. The police likely support what this man did.
For anyone who thinks this comment is hyperbolic, never forget Nathan Pelham the Jan 6 insurrectionist.
When police came to take him in he drunkenly shot his gun at them from his home. Shooting to kill.
The police drive away and let him "sleep it off"
Imagine if that was a black man. He and his whole family would be shredded by assault rifles.
White domestic terrorists are being coddled by law enforcement.
Arm the left.
It's a racist institution. It stopped being good for the people decades ago. It needs to go.
you can wait on reform or you can make them afraid of the people
Astounded by the mental gymnastics to say that after this person brandished a knife from inside his home saying he'll kill someone, the police couldn't imagine he'd shoot someone from the vantage point of his home. Incredible.
Just tell them he was smoking marijuana. They don't want to deal with actual violent criminals. Those guys are scary.
Smoking marijuana, has a Harris sign in their yard, and supports the “defund the police” movement. They would be there in under five minutes with guns blazing.
agree.
although this intersection of the population isn't causing violence :p
According to CBS News, Sawchak was taken into custody early Monday morning. Police said Sawchak had been holed up in his house for several days, but just before 1:30 a.m., he surrendered peacefully
Several days? Was this a siege? In any other case they'd torn down the house.
They said he had collected a large arsenal with like 250k rounds of ammo and had reason to believe he may have placed booby traps. so, take that as you will
He was white.
Even that shitbag realized what he had done was wrong before the cops did.
I'm glad that, where I live, the racists find it difficult to get guns.
