ADMIN: Please stop reporting OnlyFans models as spam just because they are OF models

This is the correct take. Is it any surprise that OF models generate a lot of nsfw content? Unless the users posting is too frequent, it's not spam. If a painter links to their webpage on a post where they share their art do we cry spam? Treating their content like spam entirely on the grounds of them being OF models is honestly pretty sex negative. Y'all should support the idea of sex workers having control of their own content.
- Speaking from previous experience on Reddit, the OF models are the posters most likely to start spam posting.
  That shouldn't mean we auto report them here, but it's behavior to be wary of and worth checking an OF account to make sure they aren't.

I have no issue with OF, but i don't want to be overtly advertised to.
If i find myself in a /c where OF spam is out of control and the mods don't wish to do anything about it then I'll just move on.
Many NSFW Reddit subs turned to rubbish when OF users spammed the hell out of hundreds of subs, when where there content was not a match for the sub. If this happens here then it will suck as well.
I'm happy for OF users to post content appropriate to the /c they post in and include a link to their OF in the body or in a following message. But having a pair of tits posted in an anal /c along with 50 other /c's with "My only fans 50% off right now" as the title... thats spam, clear as day, and it has no place.
And for those saying its content, there is no need to grow for the sake of growth, let's rather grow naturally and at a steady pace and maintain some quality.
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I have a simple solution to this: If you are the moderator of your community, just put a rule in the sidebar disallowing OF links and references. Handle it on a per-community level.
- The downside of that is that a lot of OF content is posted to dozens of communities and this fact is the main spam problem with them, not necessarily the content in any particular community on its own.
- I just wish c/gonewild would hold true to what made r/gonewild special. Allowing people who monitize to post there just turns it into a generic porn subscription.

There is a huge difference between inconsiderate spammers, and adult performers linking to their work.
We all hate the blatant spam on Reddit, but spam is not a unique problem, and it was not invented during the rise of adult content creation. That's why we have moderation. Know what makes moderation even harder? Abusing the moderation system.
Look, we have an opportunity here to create an active and ethical community of real people who love porn, and SUPPORT the people who create the thing we love.
Even if you never intend to pay for your porn, creators give away TONS of free material, and want to interact and build community here for free.
If you push out creators from every corner of the internet besides behind a paywall, what do you think will be left? I'll tell you: the 1% of people who are not interested in monetizing their content, and a bunch of stolen shit (for as long as it lasts, until LemmyNSFW gets hit with DMCA takedowns left and right.)
If we went that route, and the site becomes swamped with copyright takedowns, admins here could decide ONLY OC is allowed to be posted, and then yall will have that 1% of people who don't monetize to choose from. So, you can say goodbye to variety, and goodbye to finding someone who fulfills your particular fetish.
Is that the community you want to build? Sounds pretty oppressive to me.
- Very well said. Talented OC creators (including sellers) are always welcomed at communities I moderate here (and on Reddit).
  And I gladly nuke spam (very well defined by @hedidwot@lemmynsfw.com in comment ) and spammers (OC or not). Hoping we get better moderation tools and support soon here on Lemmy

If OF takes a hold of Lemmy like it did Reddit I’ll just defederate from Lemmy all together. Nobody has time for 50 identical posts from the same user only to finish with that user’s posts just in time to pick up another OF user’s 50 identical posts. OF and their repost bot Army ruined entire communities on reddit and they for sure will do the same here if allowed.
- "Do older guys even like 18yo girls? Teeheehee"
  "My boyfriend made fun of my boobs and says I need implants! Teeheehee"
  "Be honest. Would you smash an 18yo virgin??"
  Lifts top does a small wiggle "see more on my OF" *posts to 30 other communities"
  I'm not mad about it. Y'all should make money on it if you can, but most of this shit is the same and ruined porn on Reddit. I'm sure there's some that are really into the exhibition of it, and that rocks, but It'll ruin porn here too.
- If spam crossposting becomes an issue, we will address it. The reports we are referring to here are mainly against people who are daring to just post links in the body or comments to their OF. It's not mass crossposting.
  
  but that's why people are mad about it. Give them an inch and they take a mile. You don't wait for the cancer to take hold. You see it, and you treat it as fast as possible.
- I block all identified OF users. All they do is post UNRELATED items to the community theme. Like what they did on reddit.

Aw man, I'm just an exhibitionist that loves showing off and talking to friendly strangers on the internet, and you guys have been so nice 🙁 I paywall some stuff so I can make a little back to justify buying cute outfits lol, but I totally get the frustration with spamming and agree it ruined reddit. Of course I will respect if a community decides I'm no longer welcome, however I will point out that almost all of the top posts on gonewild here are OF models - so a lot of valuable and appreciated content would be lost. Perhaps significantly reducing the allowable posting frequency in the future once there is more content here (e.g 1x post per sub per user per week) would increase posting quality and relevance.
- Reducing posting frequency is a great solution.
  I think only once per week is a bit extreme, but something like, once per sub per day, and cannot share the same photo in the same sub again until somewhere between 1-6 months have passed.
  
  I think once a day sounds right.

I made a clickable list of sellers, if you wish to block them: !sellerblock@lemmy.world
It's only like 100 for now, so doable by hand. For now, it includes some other types of sellers that you can skip, of course.
This way there is no need to argue, or to harass mods with false reports. Keep in mind that they do this work voluntarily.
- Refer to above list for quality content 😅🫶

I personally don't enjoy OF posts at all. Why would I? I don't enjoy when prostitutes call me cute either. It's a business for lonely people.
I post myself, too, but only because I enjoy doing it for free, and because I enjoy genuine reactions by people who also don't make money with it. If a sex worker with an ad on her profile says " nice dick bro", that doesn't mean anything to me. My life would have been the same without her comment.
I don't mind seeing only few, but legitimate posts either. Imho selling should be contained to separate communities, not the other way round (allowing it by default and needing special places without it).

I'm gonna be really blunt here, idk how it'll be received, but: without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
I just see so many people on Reddit claim to only love "true amateur" content, but that content almost always gets hugely downvoted or goes unnoticed on the big subreddits. I think it's because people who don't profit from their stuff aren't always trying to make content with the widest appeal possible. They don't tend to care as much about being perfectly lit up so every nipple detail is visble. Or about getting the pose just right. Many won't want to show their face. You'd think the clearly true amateur stuff would be more celebrated, but it seems people want to see women make huge amounts of pro-level content just for funsies. That's not really realistic.
Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.
- Back when amateur content was popular on reddit it actually went well.. I actually think the prominence of OF posters has put off the original amateurs.
  I think if it's done well both can co-exist with care and attention to rules. A pro OF community can permit OF advertisers if they want. But while having overt OF spam might add content, it will at the same time drive viewers away.
  Also suggesting people that don't want to be advertised to are anti sex work is stupid, and the few fools who have said as much are really just stupid.
  I don't like ads, any ads, and yet i still support businesses that advertise.
- The people who like popular porn don't really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn. They only do so when talking about the ethical consumption of porn, and their focus is on supporting people for their work, not the appreciation for the high quality or enjoying the financial transaction.
  Announcing you like amateur porn is a statement about the flavor of porn you like, and it's pretty clearly a minority opinion, given what we see reach the tops of the porn forums.
  I pretty much only like amateur porn. But you know what? I'm not going to stop anyone else from enjoying the kind of porn they like. Why should I? If you like professional porn, great! If you don't, that's okay too. Neither side should judge the other so long as they're not promoting harmful behavior of one type or another. There's nothing wrong with making a living by getting naked, there's nothing wrong with doing it for fun!
  
  The people who like popular porn don’t really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn.
  clearly you don't read the comment sections on pornhub. also you're ignoring the fact that there's been SO MANY popular porn stars throughout the past 30+ years. You might not be talking to your relatives or coworkers about your favorite porn star, but there are many many places where people do just that.
  
  I dunno. Maybe I'm just being the salty OF girl, but it doesn't seem like anyone at all (on Reddit, not here) is willing to do anything besides grumble about advertisement when the subject comes up. I see mods of nsfw subreddits get downvoted to hell when they say they won't be banning Onlyfans users from posting, followed by tons of upvoted "where are the reeeeal women?" comments. The complaint comments get upvoted more than actual, perfectly good content posted by regular women. I just wish they'd be a little more supportive when those women do post, I suppose.
  That being said, I totally agree that people should watch and make porn for whatever reason they please!!
- I’ve noticed that when people say they love amateur content, they really mean they love professional level content that they don’t have to pay for
- without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
  Hear hear, why don't people get this?
- Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.
  do you think that could be because the women were just lying about being bi so they had more opportunities to advertise their OF? I think that's kind of a huge point in support of banning OF ads
  
  sorry for the late reply. I understand your point, but it still illustrates how little contribution an OC community will see from true amateur women with rules like that in place. communities will simply need to decide between allowing men and still having a relatively healthy amount of posts (but they will be mostly of penises), or disallowing men and just not having a lot of content. the choice was easy for r/bigonewild because it was already a space for people who like men. I'd say r/gonewild is a notable exception, but it's also got a massive viewership that many people will leverage to build an audience before posting their paid links on profile and then receiving a ban. not that there are no unpaid women on that subreddit, there are, but that's a factor.
- Why do you assume all this shit is worth getting some cringy amateur content? I don't even like amateur content when it's interactive. Those thots can go make videos and sell them on their whatever site, but they shouldn't talk to me like I'm stupid and thirsty, and they should stay the fuck out of my communities!
  
  Re-read the original comment. Everyone on this thread is talking about OC (aka interactive amateur) communities. If you don't like that, don't go to OC communities. Also, you seem kinda unpleasant in general

Definitely. I think everyone is just trigger happy from the cesspool that so many NSFW subs on reddit became. To me there were two problems.
The first one was just actual spam. Same pictures posted to every sub possible, multiple times a day, all with generic bullshit titles and the same type of "engagement". That doesn't seem to be a problem yet, and is a simple one to solve.
The second, more subjective one is that OF content is just...bad. The same type of pictures, the same videos, all just not appealing. What happened to camgirls? What happened the actual realism of amateur content? That is subjective though, I don't think you can moderate quality besides upvoting/downvoting.

Imo the fair solution would be disallow OF mentions in the title and post, and have it in the bio and/or comments if they do
Expecting enough people to upload oc content without anything in return is unrealistic.
- Personally I'd be fine with allowing it in bios only. If people want to see more, they'll check out the bio, and see the link there. In other cases someone will just be like "... Nice." without feeling advertised to.
  In the end, it's all about the rules the community itself puts up. Personally, I get more enjoyment out of fewer "real" (imperfect/amateur) out-of-love quality, than more perfect/fitgirl for-profit quantity. But I'm aware this is generally a minority opinion.

Man if this is the official stance for this sub I'm fucking out. Y'all enjoy your fucking thirst trap ads lol
- But who cares if it's technically an ad? You still get the porn content you previously wouldn't get. No one's forcing you to pay for the extra stuff.
  
  I'll fap to many things, but 20 identical posts with stupid questions as title because it drives engagement, posted in random subs that it doesn't even remotely fit in, I won't fap to! I have my dignity!
  
  First because it's annoying. I sub to things for content, not links to "better content" behind a pay wall.
  If I wanted that I'd just go get on OF and never come to places like this.
  Second, it's disingenuous. I just reported another post as an example as to why it's bad for content. If they can scrape OF subscribers off of here, why would they reveal anything for free? Post a pretty face pic and throw their OF link in so you go spend there.

What if an OF model posts off-topic content? For example, boob pics to an ass-centric community? To me, that's just lazy advertising, tantamount to spam, and should therefore be reported.
- yeah, that has nothing to do with her OF and is because she is posting out of topic
  
  Are you referring to a specific model?
  I was not. I just noticed that some "niche" NSFW communities have, what I consider, lazy (as in OP didn't bother checking the community's theme/topic) ad posts to their OF.

IDK sounds like spam to me.
- It is most definitely spam. Only fans should be banned from the Internet.
  
  I wouldn't go that far as to say it needs to be banned from the internet. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm just tired of every other post being someone try to sell me something. And by every other post I'm talking about reddit. I just don't what what happened over there to happen here. Like, OF creators, just be realistic in what you post. One or two here or there is one thing. But some bots just spam all the communities like a dog in heat. But also feel this is more on the OF creators to police there own and point out the bad actors that are bot or spamming unrelated community. I don't there will be one solution that makes everyone happy. I'm just asking to keep the spamming down. I really don't care if you're an OF creator, more power to you. But I'm not buying so to me it just looks a bit desperate to try drumming up business in this way. If you were selling well enough already, you wouldn't feel the need to be advertising yourself on Reddit or Lemmy.

Thanks for saying this…♥️ I’ve been saying this too. Obviously spammy posts within the communities is a turn off. Having a link in our bios to try to earn because we are posting FREE NUDITY is reasonable and necessary.
- it's not free though, if you only do it in return for an advertising space. It's a business and means nothing to many people.
  I personally get no value from your posts. It's like a beggar playing an instrument on the side of the road to me. I never asked for it, and would never enjoy it nor pay for it.
  Of course it is still spammy when 9 out of 10 posts are ads by 9 different women.
  
  That’s valid you’re welcome to feel that way. If your preference is no sellers, there will just be much less oc content💕 if you’d rather see dudes posting stuff that’s fair
  
  Busking is not begging though and they don't advertise or try to sell you cds. If you give them money they'll appreciate it but they won't harass you if you don't (well there is always bad eggs but they aren't the majority).
  There was an old guy playing violin all year even when it was super cold and I walked past him everyday and gave him some money. Not because he asked but because I wanted to. He was always appreciative and we both had a pleasurable experience.
  I believe you can separate your business and private contributions by having an onlyfans link in your bio but not directly advertising it in your posts.
  Kind of like I get paid as a software developer professionally but I still contribute to open source in my free time. Of course potential employers could go through my free stuff and then decide that they want to pay me to work for them, but it's not directly marketing my career for people not interested in it.
- This I'm totaly fine with. I hate being advertised to... really really hate it..... ... but if i see something i like and there is a subtle link in the message or a comment by OP that is totally fine.

Report and delete all OF models. They bring nothing of value

- Do you expect us to background check every seller? I see onlyfans, I peace out. Surely that is understandable. And why would we care about your situation specifically, when there are plenty of exhibitionists who don't want to make money
  
  I see onlyfans, I peace out.
  Then nothing here has anything to do with you. This is about people who report them for posting even when they're not breaking rules.
- Content creators have been quite good about NOT spam crossposting. The reports right now are just spam reports against anyone with the audacity to post an OF link in comments or body in the communities that allow them which is just extremely annoying. Like if spam crossposting becomes an issue we will discuss and address that but overall content creators have been good on that end.
  
  why wait though? Why do we have to relive the mistakes of reddit again? We already saw what happens. nip it at the bud.
  
  It’s discrimination

The anti-OF posters sound exceedingly hyperbolic. I'm certain there's a reasonable way to ensure OF/ManyVids/Fansly models are encouraged to post free content here without it consuming the entire site.
But posters demanding that all OF models be banned entirely sound hella unreasonable.
Go make your own community and ban OF models from it
- Naw, the site would be better off simply banning only fans. Go to Reddit if you want ads.

- I don't know if you're trying to be funny or not but that is pretty funny. Those poor reporters thinking "how convenient! they obviously know what is wrong because it's right here in the list!" But it's there to make it easy to sort into the trash.
  
  Like a suggestion box that feeds directly into a shredder

Where's the line with someone posting to multiple c/s at once and ignoring relevance being spam, even though they may hit a few c/s where is is on topic randomly? When I report for spam, that's what I'm reporting for, even if I don't report every post they made.
How should we handle that?
- We don't have a great way to track per-user reports yet, but we do have a kind of running list of repeat offenders. If you report the off-topic posts as off-topic, we'll notice if it keeps happening.

Also…even if these are regular women who have 9 to 5’s that’s even a more reason to tip them! Gosh…be gentlemen!! Why are people here so selfish!!?? (Not OP…the others 🫠🫠🫠). As a pro, I feel like I want to support amateur women and make sure they are being treated well.
- My two cents, im not an OF model. Been posting nudes for a longtime though. I make my content cause i enjoy messing with my camera and want to express my sexuality. I was there for the rock and roll vibes of early days gonewild and it was freaking awesome. My pictures were spread all over the internet. Its insane what kind of proposals ive gotten over the years and the adventures i went on. Im not into it for the money, im into it for the experiences and honest connections with likeminded people. That being said, i know alot of girls who made the jump from amateur to pro. And why the fuck wouldnt they, im in support of OF models showing their pictures and advertising on their profile, this community needs content. Well it needs to be the place where the parties at. No reason they cant be part of the party.
  
  Exactly! Well said. If we aren’t bringing the ad into the party why can’t we have them at home? 😂 I like the analogy.

Final comment about this because I wanna get off this topic as I’m getting triggered. I’m an exhibitionist AND I need to pay my bills. Idk why I wouldn’t combine those 2 things? I love what I do. I love posting nudes! I love talking to people online. Why wouldnt I try to do that as my job if I love it? The only people that will be seeing my link are the people that click on my profile and find it for themselves. Have a good day everyone 😂😛
- I think it's fair for people to be upset when there's spam on the site. But, we've so far had issues with only actual spam but not really any true spam from OF models. It seems so far that content creators have been extra careful on that end. Like, as long as the links are in the body or comments in most communities it is more than fine and thats generally whats been going on currently as far I can see. Sex workers need to make money too and getting instant mass reports on OF models for daring to want to make money off their content they are graciously providing to us for free as a community is downright absurd and deeply annoying to have to sift thru. I can get outright exhibitionist communities, but those need to be clear about such imo.
  Honestly whether people want to admit it or not, we need content creators for this community to thrive and grow. If it becomes any issue in the future then a conversation will be had, but there really isn't any issue at the moment.
- If I don’t want to see content from a community, I block it. If I don’t want to see content from a user, I block them. I’d encourage everyone to do the same.
  With that being said, ignore the shitheads and keep your posts coming <3
  
  Yeah i have been feeding the trolls. Time to move on and get back to the good stuff lmao. 💗💗💗
- No one is saying it's not a job, jfc. People are saying it's a product and it's advertising. It's 100% as if r/android was just case makers and OEMs posting their newest products.
  These communities are not your ad space.
  
  Putting in effort does not entitle you to getting paid for something that exists for free somewhere else, or to being allowed to advertise anywhere you want.
  Pretty sure no one has denied that it's a real job or business. The critics just don't want to do business with you.

It's advertising. I don't care for advertising. It's like if all food subs were posts by Kraft, Taco Bell, Lays, Ben & Jerry's, etc.
If people want to advertise, that's fine, there are avenues for that. r/gonewild got ruined by being filled to the brim with OF ads. Other communities had to be made to recreate the space that gonewild used to be.
the basis for r/gonewild was a place for REDDITORS to "go wild", not for women who are paid to do so, to then create a reddit account so they can have a place to advertise their product (their photos and videos) for free.
- r/Gonewild has specific rules about no OF posters. To the point that even if your post doesn’t mention OF, but you have one linked in your profile you get banned.
  It made GW worse. Not just because OF creators have better, higher quality content that fits that sub, but also because as I pointed out once to them it was a dumb idea to block people who in most cases of OF creators don’t even monetize, or only do custom content. Otherwise the account is free to follow. Which is an important differentiation since diversifying where you post and where people can find you is a major thing.
  
  How is it worse? It's back to it's roots and literally back to the reason for the sub in the first place. You know how many "free" OF pages consist of spam about special videos and offers? I'd say practically every single one.
  as far as higher better quality, I'd disagree. There's something special about seeing someone who you think you could have a chance with. Who could be that quiet coworker down the hall, or a nurse you've seen. What if it's your friend's hot older sister you always had a crush on? Those women might not have been egirls, or would ever have the time, or money to spend on good lighting and photo editing. They're regular fucking people, just trying to get off, not get paid.
  Wanting to spread your product around to get people to pay for it is called advertising. It's nothing new.

Are they linking to their profile? If so that's a defacto ad.
If I want OF content, I'll go to OF.

Let’s be honest…how many regular women are consistently posting nudity with no desire for any reward? I’m an exhibitionist but even I want to have a way to monetize the public viewing of my most intimate parts. Recipe for a dry ass sausage fest.
- https://www.reddit.com/r/gonewild/
  a lot. a whole lot. people can enjoy things without getting paid for them you know. stop being so selfish.

When you assume everybody of a certain community is the same way, it's called discrimination.
- I COULD say lemmings are entitled broke losers but it’s not accurate. Many of you are kind gentleman (and other genders but my fan base is mostly cos heterosexual men)
  
  replace this with a statement on black people then go look in a mirror and rethink your life. (Not the having an OF, there's nothing wrong with sex work. I mean the bigotry and calls about being discriminated against for not getting free ad space)

I for one welcome our onlyfans overlords
edit: y'all content comes from somewhere, exhibitionists who can afford it will give it free, you don't need to pay anything let the fuckin upvote down vote system sort out what you wanna see. people who wanna support swers can, there's no requirement and honestly it diversifies everything

Fuck off - I'M HERE FOR PORN NOT ONLYFANS ADVERTISEMENTS.
- Nope. Also, I don't think we're going to allow that username here.