Blaze destroys multimillion-euro German fire station that had no alarms
Blaze destroys multimillion-euro German fire station that had no alarms
Stadtallendorf fire station was not legally required to have alarms because it was classified as a building holding equipment
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Having Automatic fire alarms in fire stations is not legally required in Germany (to be more exact in any of the 16 German states, because hooray, federalism), and thanks to the German state religion of austerity, therefore they are rarely installed.
Fires like that don't even happen that rarely, typically the cause is some battery on a charger, of which you will find plenty on pretty much any vehicle in any fire station. (The vehicle's starter battery, handheld radios, handheld lamps, portable motorised equipment with starter battery, battery tools, etc.) Since by far the most German fire stations aren't staffed most of the time (more than 90% of Germany's firefighters are volunteers), often nobody will notice a fire before it's already too late.
This is all wild to me, alarms not required in a building that is largely unoccupied?! Who cares that its purpose is to fight fires? Especially if people aren’t there often it needs an alarm!
And most of your firefighters are volunteers? I can understand having volunteer firefighters in rural areas, but Germany seems like a country where most of the population lives in urban or reasonably dense suburban areas, at least from an American perspective of population density. My midsize town of just under 80,000 people has a population density of around 1100 people per square kilometer and has a professional fire department with about 110 full-time employees working at 6 different stations. It started as a volunteer department a century ago when the town was tiny, but as it grew they eventually switched to a professional force. Our property insurance rates would be very high if it wasn’t professional.
Does Germany not need as many firefighters because many buildings are constructed of materials less susceptible to burning?
This is all wild to me, alarms not required in a building that is largely unoccupied?! Who cares that its purpose is to fight fires? Especially if people aren’t there often it needs an alarm!
Explain such a logical and self explanatory idea to the lawmakers and bureaucrats of 16 different states. If you're from the US, you will have a quite good understanding of the downsides of federalism yourself.
Typically, automatic alarms are only required in buildings that pose a very significant danger in case of an undetected fire, unfortunately that does not include the indirect danger of not having a fire station anymore after it burns down.
And most of your firefighters are volunteers?
Yes, a legal requirement for having a professional fire department only exists in cities over a certain size. (thanks to federalism and German history, this is a bit location dependent, in the Western states, the magic number is 100000 inhabitants, in the Eastern ones, it's 50000) Those cities will have a volunteer fire department in addition to the professionals, the way the volunteers are used depends a bit on the city, some will use them as back-up for large incidents, others will use them for specialist roles, while again others will use them for regular coverage outside of normal working hours. (Or any thinkable combination of that) Larger stations in cities under that size limit typically employ a few paid maintenance technicians who will also respond to incidents. (on their own for small things, in combination with the volunteers for larger ones)
Does Germany not need as many firefighters because many buildings are constructed of materials less susceptible to burning?
Germany does have roundabout 1.1 million firefighters in total, the density is pretty high. This is due to the legal requirements of meeting pretty strict response times pretty much in any village, town, and city. The exact times vary a bit from state to state (again our old friend federalism), and some even make a distinction between urban and rural areas, but typically it's something between 10 and 15 minutes from an emergency being called in (the clock starts ticking the second you dial the emergency number) to the first unit arriving in sufficient strength to do something about it. The measure for sufficient strength, unless there are other dangers, is a "critical dwelling fire" meaning a fire in an inhabited building with person(s) trapped. The absolute minimum to even start dealing with that according to German tactical standards is 6 firefighters. Response time limits for subsequent reinforcements arriving also exist, and requirements for the total strength and equipment of fire department, depending on the hazards present at the municipality in question.
In order to meet that requirement, the preferred way for municipalities smaller than those that require a professional fire department, is having volunteer fire departments, but in case not enough volunteers can be found, they are legally required to conscript able residents for compulsory fire service.
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Fire station work no fire alarms
Oooooh boy
Yeah.
Even if it's not required, someone should have considered the schadenfreude and PR disaster from something like this happening.
The "This won't ever happen to me" vibe is very strong in Germany. We even have a fire service related joke term for it. Let me introduce you to the "St. Florians-Prinzip", the "principle of St. Florian", which is centered on the idea of praying to St. Florian, the patron saint of firefighters, to spare your own house, but light someone else's on fire instead:
Oh heiliger Sakt Florian,
verschon unser Haus,
zünd' and're an.
(This principle is also often used to describe NIMBYism)
Not the onion material
the shoemakers children run barefoot
The town of Stadtallendorf had proudly unveiled the new structure less than a year ago
oh boy, structure not even a year old, and 10 fire trucks burned down
at least the fire protection wall worked as intended, guarding against further fire spreading
The closing paragraph is kinda absurd.
Schäfer said for reasons of safety as well as for local morale, the building had to be reconstructed as swiftly as possible. Whether a future structure would be fitted with a fire alarm system would be a matter for discussion, officials said.
German efficiency.
I know you're being sarcastic, but for the sake of people still believing in German efficiency, believe me, it is nothing but a myth.
The inside experience is more one of a Kafkaesque nightmare full of Byzantine bureaucracy where you keep filing all sorts of complicated forms, get them rejected because of a comma in the wrong place, re-file them (of course in triplicate), get them rejected again because of a comma in the right place, re-file once more, only for a deadline to have expired just before, and when you're finally done with the mountainous amount of paperwork, you'll be told by some official in no uncertain terms that, despite all the forms, you don't get to be a cool giant bug as in a proper Kafkaesque nightmare.
