Ironic for a group that currently obsesses over anti-genocide to be pro-genocide;
"Even if every absurd fabrication that the anti-communist propagandists like to parrot about the millions supposedly killed by Stalin, Mao, etc. was true, those numbers would pale in comparison to the number of lives they saved, "
also
Creating gender equality
Until Stalin reversed it all lol (there are also no high-ranking women in the Chinese government -- ever)
im not even going to touch their disdain towards imperialism while also praising modern-day china. i'd drown in the irony. Quick, someone, throw me a buoy!
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15590383/
Yep, no domestic violence or sexist culture here, none whatsoever, China is a glorious wonderland of sexual and gender equality /s.
(there are also no high-ranking women in the Chinese government – ever)
Huh. I hadn't noticed. Which says nothing good about China, obviously, but it also highlights how a sausage-fest government does not stand out to us.
"Communism has poven track record of working"
More like a proven record of not working. How many communist countries are still around today? How many of those are places you would want to live? If they are communist they are also heavily authoritarian. At the end of the day communism "works" if you only believe what the state propaganda tells you. The reality is that forcing people into jobs and trying to eliminate competition ends up hurting diversity of thought. It is no surprise every communist revolution is a violent one. Add that to the fact that the farms completely fell apart and were not producing much output and you have a disaster that has to be covered up.
but have you considered that the West makes countries not communist by uhhhhh, making them poor? once you're poor you stop existing. PLEASE DO NOT LOOK AT CUBA. DO NOT LOOK AT VIETNAM. DO NOT LOOK AT LAOS. DON'T LOOK AT THEM, STOP IT, THEY DON'T REAL.
Though, real talk. I do think communism will become standard in the future, but not in our lifetimes, of course.
Frankly there is very little evidence to support that theory. The problem with communism is two fold. First, it removes the drive to improve processes. Second, it is highly vulnerable to people to game the system. People will always find a way to get more for themselves and because there is little incentives compared a regular market they will not work harder at there job.
The workplace is ruff and it is definitely is very unpleasant at times. You have to work to find a job and sometimes the job is just miserable. However, it forces the best performance out of everyone which is something communism fails to do.
Correlation ≠ Causation
Perhaps it just so happened that Mao took control around the same time medical sciences obtained a break through in some field.
If we did universal healthcare and killed ten percent of left-handed people, then statistically, that's a net plus. Statistics are not soft and friendly things.
Relatively speaking that graph does show Asia having closed the gap between the global average. But it's a wee bit hard to isolate 'China' from 'Asia'.
When you add western nations, they're far above both the global average and China.
Communist nations may have killed millions. But capitalist nations have killed more by orders of magnitude.
It's almost like humans resort to violence when they think they can get away with it
How do you even quantify that?
"You died by capitalism" -- How?
It's impossible to quantify how many people were killed by an economic system because it's never direct. You would have to arbitrarily decide how many layers of abstraction are too many for the death to be attributable to the economic system under which it occurred, and the more layers there are the more unclear it is. That's why the "victims of communism" numbers and lists that get thrown around are all bullshit, it's entirely subjective. If you want to be objective you have to be specific about the cause of death and whose actions directly resulted in it.
For example, imagine an alcoholic homeless man dies of exposure after being evicted from a building he was squatting in. Who's responsible? There are lots of answers you could give; the cops who were sent to evict him, the owner of the building who sent the cops, the community who didn't help him, the person or company that sold him the alcohol, the alcohol itself, or even just himself. I can't objectively say that this man "died by capitalism," but I can say that it might have been prevented under a different economic system, that this is a systemic problem that requires a systemic solution.
I'm not disagreeing with you but capitalism has been around a lot longer
They have a point, though. Compare life expectancy in China --even during the Great Leap Forward and the Four Pests Campaign to life in (for example) colonized India. Communism wasn't great, but compare it to the alternative. I'm not a fan of China, i'm an anarchist, but some of the criticism is just red scare bullshit and not backed by facts.
It's important to note that India was also reeling from a very rocky partition with no Western support or severance. I personally think a more apt comparison is North and South Korea, I don't even need to show you their comparison
Still, when compared to its Western rivals, China doesn't look nearly as impressive, especially not in current times where China remains near the bottom (though still above India, that's not much of a brag.)
Regardless, please take note of their denial and praise of genocide--That's the centre topic to focus on here
I don't think North vs South Korea is a real comparison at all. First of all, it's not what the post is talking about. Secondly, the North Korean government is not materially Communist in nature. Thirdly, there are some additional factors in play that are depressing North Korea's economic and medical ability, such as sanctions from the West. Not that i think North Korea would beat South Korea without the sanctions or anything, i doubt it would be particularly close.
China is catching up to the US, thanks to the US's insane and dysfunctional health care system. They're not going to beat Europe any time soon, but that's a tough ask. Europe is doing quite well, and has been for a long time.
It's not like China's revolution was smooth sailing, either. I think that's partly why those two are a reasonable comparison, despite being so different in so many ways. They were both doing about as poorly as each other on life expectancy up to their respective revolutions--in fairness, India was doing a little worse by the life expectancy metric but not by much.
Compare life expectancy in China --even during the Great Leap Forward and the Four Pests Campaign to life in (for example) colonized India.
Okay. 1965 - Chinese life expectancy was 44.
1965 - Indian life expectancy was 44.
Alright then, fine. Pulling out some actual stats:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041350/life-expectancy-china-all-time/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041383/life-expectancy-india-all-time/
At the worst part of the Great Leap Forward, China was still slightly ahead of India: 44.6 to 43. Everywhere else (and to this day), they're meaningfully ahead. (How Communist they are in the modern era may be up for debate, though.) The Chinese Communist Revolution took place over a long period of time but was pretty well concluded by 1949. India got its independence in 1947, at a very similar time. Ten years later is roughly the period we're talking about, but ten years after that China has pulled well ahead of India. In 1970, China's life expectancy was 55 while India's was 46.
In addition to that, let's take a look at conditions before the respective revolutions. In China, life was pretty horrible. Life expectancy was flat and only started going up toward the end of the Communist Revolution. In India, under British rule, it was even worse. This isn't a small detail, it is a major, catastrophic failure of The West and colonialist capitalism in general. If we're saying Communist China was bad because of the Four Pests campaign then what kind of failure does that make Britain, which failed to address the horrendous living conditions in India for decades?
