I'm, unfortunately, reminded me of this bit from the original Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy radio series (which preceded even the books):
In today’s modern Galaxy there is, of course, very little still held to be unspeakable. Many words and expressions which only a matter of decades ago were considered so distastefully explicit that were they merely to be breathed in public, the perpetrator would be shunned, barred from polite society, and, in extreme cases, shot through the lungs, are now thought to be very healthy and proper, and their use in everyday speech is seen as evidence of a well-adjusted, relaxed, and totally unf [bleep!] ked-up personality. So, for instance, when in a recent national speech, the financial minister of the Royal World Estate of Qualvista actually dared to say that due to one thing and another, and the fact that no one had made any food for awhile and the king seemed to have died, and that most of the population had been on holiday now for over three years, the economy had now arrived at what he called, “One whole juju-flop situation,” everyone was so pleased he felt able to come out and say it, that they quite failed to notice that their five-thousand-year-old civilisation had just collapsed overnight. But though even words like “juju-flop,” “swut,” and “turlingdrome” are now perfectly acceptable in common usage, there is one word that is still beyond the pale. The concept it embodies is so revolting that the publication or broadcast of the word is utterly forbidden in all parts of the galaxy except one - where they don’t know what it means. That word is “Belgium” and it is only ever used by loose-tongued people like Zaphod Beeblebrox in situations of dire provocation. Such as…
Trump absolutely obliterated profits from manufacturing with the steel tariffs. That's the whole reason that I'm struggling really hard right now. It forced me to order even lower quality steel because as the buyer, you're the one paying the markups. It isn't the affected country. This forced me to really put my limited metallurgical knowledge to the test because I had to ship critical components that wouldn't fail to the best of my ability. I had to adjust everything from tool paths to cutting times because they both affect the integrity of the material. I already had to charge way more for the parts I make because I'm not in India or China making $2/hr. I really hate to say it, but American made steel is just too expensive and I can get it from Japan for maybe 3/4 the price. China is even cheaper with nearly the same quality. And, no, I don't order it directly shipped. There are distributors.
I've been screaming at colleagues for years now that Trump has absolutely no clue about real world manufacturing or how it works. He wants to destroy NAFTA, which would absolutely destroy the supply chain I rely on for non-metallic (mostly glass-filled plastics) materials. I make a fair amount of G-10 and G-11 fiberglass parts for nuclear power - from GE, to Hitachi, WestingHouse, to (oddly) Mitsubishi. Want to talk about how nuclear is expensive already? Yeah, go ahead and erase NAFTA. It would go from improbable and financially impractical to absolutely impossible. Get an order from some local business to make some parts? You have to charge at least an estimate of $70/hour just for labor and machine time. With the tariffs, I've had to bump that to about $90/hour.
However, because the costs for me have gone up so much I've had to go from making money to paying to live. I have the skill, equipment, and knowledge to run a machine shop by myself. That orange fuck set it up that if I didn't already have well-established long term contracts, I'd be in a ditch after selling my dog for a month's worth of food. Trump knowing manufacturing, or how it impacts the manufacturers? Get the fuck out.
Sincerely, A trans woman that has been in manufacturing her whole life.
Source: Being a 20+ year career machinist.
It seems the real problem with tariffs is the rapidity of them. If the US wants to encourage more manufacturing at home, fine. But as you note, just applying them suddenly is ruinous. I would think a much better approach would be that any new tariff must be slowly ramped up over a decade. Or maybe a hard rule that any individual tariff can't change by more than 2 percentage points a year. This way tariffs could still be a policy tool that can be raised and lowered based on national interest, but they would change slowly enough that industry could actually adapt.
If the US wants to encourage more manufacturing at home, fine.
I disagree mainly because I want a Hilux and can't get one because of the Chicken Tax
This is what I really don't get.
Like, sure, Trump's tax plan looks better for the middle class at the surface level....but that's just talking about income tax. Tariffs are taxes, too, and his tariff plan will mean significantly more dollars spent on taxes for the middle class. The net paycheck will be a little higher, but the cost increases will eat that up and much, much more.
And that's just one avenue. I'd shutter to think what will happen to the overall value of the dollar, the growing wealth disparity, the real estate market (it's nearly impossible for first time buyers as it is, but rent is exorbitant too, and a lot of it is because of sweet deals for mega landlords like Trump himself) and the costs of healthcare under Trump's "plans"
Fuck dude....my family makes 3x the local household median and we still can't save money for shit. It goes nearly as fast as it comes. We live in a modest house, we've got one (used) car payment, and fortunately no credit card debt. We buy used clothes and store-brand food. Don't go out to eat or takeout. But its still tough as hell.
I'm legitimately unsure if anyone voting for him actually understand how Tariffs work
Those tariffs did exactly what they were supposed to do. Push smaller competitors out of the market and allow price increases from the bigger companies. Even with those tariffs the price from China was still much cheaper, all he did was ramp up inflation. Literally no one won.
Same thing for the meat processing/packing laws in Denver, meant specifically to drive out a small bit very high quality farm in favor of a massive industrial one. It doesn't lower prices or increase quality (raises prices and lowers quality overall), it's just meant to drive out the competition.
I wonder how much this whole cost of living crisis is due to the Trump tariffs vs how much was due to COVID? COVID seems to have provided a convenient cover that distracted the world and probably exacerbated the issue, but I wonder had COVID not happened would it have been more apparent how bad the Trump tariffs were for the economy? To my knowledge though, I don’t know that those tariffs ever really went away.
The whole manufacturing sector is suffering. I don't see how any blue collar worker in any state can't recognize that. People just wanted deer season open so they could forget for a couple of months.
Mitsubishi isn't that odd. Mitsubishi electric is building power plants.
Yeah, if you are in the space it isn't weird. But for most, it would seem odd.
Thanks Chat GTP!
I fucking love waltz. I'm fairly positive on Kamala, but I absolutely love waltz. He may be my favorite politician atm.
God forbid he be running for president and Kamala as vp 😅 some dems head would explode trying to compute
You "fucking" "absolutely" love waltz so i'm gonna guess you agree with his policies:
"the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there"
If I was editing wikipedia and saw your statement I’d add these two tags:
[dubious claim: discuss] [citation needed]
I know you’re taking a quote from the debate but it seems really out of context. If I remember he was talking about Israel’s response to a potential Iranian attack.
Not the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Show me the lie.
A politician who tells it like it is? A guy you could, God forbid, have a beer with? A veteran even, but with working class cred and a love of video games. A total unknown on the national level, but beloved by his constituents... You couldn't order a more perfect veep off a menu. It's almost surreal
What's even better is that this is really him. Not a character, not adapting to the political race.
Minnesotans are sad to lose him as governor, but he'll be great as VP and definitely qualified to step in if something happened to Harris.
I wanna have a beer with Walsh and share a joint with Sanders.
Or maybe visa versa. Idk either way sounds like a good time
I hope tourte right.
You couldn’t order a more perfect veep off a menu.
“the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there”
The average person you meet down the street has less thirst for blood and would make a better politician.
And people start to see why he consistently won positions in Minnesota!
JD Vance has never been in a factory job, or in anything other then his couch
I’m not even sure you can technically say he was “in” a couch.
#tinydickproblems
Spread the news, JD "couch fucker" Vance has a microdick
That's not true, his job was shutting down factories.
Give ‘em a break.
Manufacturing stuff is hard, alright? You have to get off the couch and stuff
get off the couch
You think Vance is worried about getting anyone other than himself off?
"It's not gay if it's a la-Z-boy."
He also said it live:
And walz knows about manufacturing from all the manufacturing consent he and the dems do!
He has just as much expertise as trump does, which is basically nothing.
Exactly, this entire thread reads like bot-made comments sponsored by a DNC "social media center".
He's my favorite politician! He's so relatable! I could have a beer with him! As a trans metal worker, here's why Trump is responsible for my bills going up...
It's sad because I really thought this place was going to be real. But nothing can escape the record-correcters apparently.
Great job bashing the dems while contributing nothing of substance to the conversation. Do you have any points concerning Trump's or Harris' manufacturing policies? Also, per your last point, please tell me how that commenters grievances are illegitimate. Is it because they're trans?
Nobody can escape having to share the planet with right-wing dumbass fuckwits either, but here we are.
