Amid anger over Israel, Harris courts Arab and Muslim voters. Will it work?
Amid anger over Israel, Harris courts Arab and Muslim voters. Will it work?
Critics question US vice president’s meetings with handpicked community members without change in Middle East policy.
Me watching a repeat of 2016
There's so many things Kamala can do to guarantee she wins...
Taking a stand against genocide is just one of them, but she just keeps going to the right.
It's the exact opposite of what voters want, but exactly what donors want and why they're donating.
Shit won't get better until we at least get dirty money out of our party.
There’s so many things Kamala can do to guarantee she wins…
In a world where a surprisingly high proportion of society are moderately to completely sure that the Government can control major weather events, I must say I am more than a little skeptical about the idea that anyone can convince a majority of the populace to make what is self-evidently the best decision based on factual information that they can process and compare against other statements until reaching a cohesive conclusion not based more or less entirely on self-serving and/or ideological biases.
And doing shit like trotting out the Cheney's. Nobody likes these people any more, who the fuck are you doing this for? I swear to God, the West Wing has broken the brains of every consultant in Washington.
The people running the DNC and Kamala's campaign are the same ones that lost to trump in 2016 and beat him by the skin of our teeth in 2020, in spite of their decisions
I'll say it till my face turns blue:
Shit is too important to be letting these unelected "moderates" being the sole deciders of what our only other option is
They don't really care about if trump wins, they care about keeping billionaires and corporations happy
They're not on the same side as the Dem voting base.
The following are all true:
- Supporters of both Israel and Palestine are, by default, likely to vote Democrat
- Both of them also are likely to consider the conflict their one issue of primary importance, where they cannot imagine voting for someone who supports the other side.
- There is no way to please all of them.
This is simple logical arithmetic. The best strategy is to say nothing, and not piss anyone off. Because if you choose to piss off one side and support the other, you'll end up making the other go to Trump or decide to stay home. And if that happens, it'll be Miriam Adelson deciding the policy and that means Israel takes both Gaza and the West Bank and expels everyone they don't like.
There is much evidence to show that is not true. Harris changing position on Gaza to support withholding weapons would only be a gain of voters. Polling shows as much as 6 points if not more, which is significant, especially with the race this close. And especially in swing states like Michigan.
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
- Split Ticket (July 2024)
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
It won't. The Arabs are too angry. Minnesota literally has a Palestinian who lost 42 family members in a single airstrike by Israel and then their governor goes on a VP debate for election and the only thing he can say about the conflict is that he supports Israel's right for expansion.
Yet I still see so many people blaming the voters who want an alternative to genocide, instead of the policies of the administration that give it unconditional military support.
Harris can easily earn so many votes, especially in swing states that she needs to win, with a pivot on Biden's unpopular foreign policy on Israel. This race should not be this close. Trump is a uniquely unpopular candidate, to the extent that even two assassination attempts didn't even move his approval rating.
Yet I still see so many people blaming the voters who want an alternative to genocide
Yes, and I don't care about the opinions of such people any longer. They process the harms being done in the world into a sense of entitlement that everyone should deal with that in the way they do, which is principally by finding a way to rationalise those harms as inevitable.
Too many humans are going to keep killing other living beings, and then putting effort into rationalising how this is a good thing. In my lifetime we are going to see more of anthropogenic climate change killing people, and those who (think they) have profited from such climate change rationalising how 'this is good because...', or 'they deserved it because...'.
In a world where immigrants (like myself) are treated with contempt, people who didn't migrate from countries where climate change is deadly will be laughed at.
Fix that and I will care about political decisions. Until then, I remain unconvinced that pretending that we can maintain a status quo by just pandering to the right-wing enough is of any particular value.
Do you know what's more important than profit? Life. I'd take fewer dead babies over arms merchants making money selling the means to kill more innocent people.
he supports Israel’s right for expansion.
Israel seems to expand into areas they don't control, breaking international law. And, while doing so, they bring settler violence (backed by the IDF) against innocent people, including children.
What 'right' is that? Would I have the 'right' to expand into my neighbour's home if I was backed by a large number of people with guns?
I can understand a 'might makes right' world after societal collapse. It's concerning that we are practising these skills while society appears to be functioning to some extent.
lol @ "right to defend themselves" somehow turning into "right for expansion" like they could just slip that by and no one would notice.
Minnesota literally has a Palestinian who lost 42 family members in a single airstrike by Israel
Sounds like she should be investigated for having ties to Hamas...
This is either missing a big fat /s and still pretty tone deaf, or the most disgusting thing I've read today
Really hope you're being sarcastic here man.
"Please vote for me! I will do anything but stop supporting genocide of people abroad who share your religion."
Zios are murdering people from a variety of religions.
Harris seriously needs to fire her campaign advisors. There are so many easy things she could do to easily win the presidency but for some reason she refuses to do them.
Taking a stand against genocide is just one of them and is so easy to do. She'd gain 10s of millions of Arab voters plus the 10s of millions of progressive voters she's missing out on right now, and it would probably only cost her a few thousand moderate voters. Those voters probably aren't even in swing states so who cares?
I don't know why Harris is running such a stupid campaign or why she just doesn't do the really easy thing that will absolutely guarantee that she easily wins the white house.
It absolutely blows my mind.
I'm curious if it's because she has taken the Biden campaign advisors on board. Maybe his whole crew thinks like him, and are thus rabid Zionists.
Or maybe they determined that all the critics are in blue places and not swing states, so they don't matter.
There is a chance she can lose Michigan just without Arab Americans vote so what Biden and Harris is doing is just stupid.
Harris is a cop. She believes in putting people in cages. Ofc she supports this genocide.
Harris seriously needs to fire her
campaign advisorsdonors.She can't fire them because she works for them.
don't know why Harris is running such a stupid campaign or why she just doesn't do the really easy thing that will absolutely guarantee that she easily wins the white house.
It doesn't make sense because you're leaving out half of the equation: money.
There are lots of issues like this that poll overwhelmingly in the opposite direction that Democrats keep moving towards.
They only need 50% +1 of the EC delegates to win the election, anything more eats into their ability to fundraise, as what's good for everyday Americans is bad for capitalists and ideologues. Pandering to voters is good but if they can get you in the booth on the threat of Trump alone then even better. That frees them up to fuck around and do whatever gets the most money out of their donors.
Taking a stand against genocide is just one of them and is so easy to do. She’d gain 10s of millions of Arab voters plus the 10s of millions of progressive voters she’s missing out on right now,
It's too late for this "progressive". I voted for Cornel West yesterday. Before y'all libs attack me, I live in a state where my vote is completely meaningless. Democracy and freedom!!!! \s
Excellent choice, I voted for Trump. It''s absolutely imperative that we keep Harris from getting elected and voting for a third party instead of Harris helps to get Trump elected, but since I live in a swing state I didn't want to take any chances and voted directly for Trump instead of indirectly.
It blows your mind because you're living in a bubble and believe things you read on the internet without questioning them enough.
First Israel is not committing genocide. The casualties are consistent with combat operations in an urban environment. Death toll numbers are flattening as Hamas is eliminated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war#/media/File:Gaza_death_graph.png
If it were a genocide the numbers would be increasing.
Second, you're in a very small group of unreliable voters. It is not good strategy to ignore the majority to appease a small group of people that have been influenced by a foreign propaganda campaign. Most people understand that Hamas is a terrorist group, doesn't wear uniforms so therefore civilian casualties will be high when there's combat operations against them. Most people understand what happened on October 7, and understand that a nation should not abandon it's people when they're being held hostage. And nations shouldn't abandon their allies simply because their allies are fighting an enemy that has a propaganda campaign that's effective on a small portion of their population.
You likely weren't going to vote anyway. You'd probably find some other excuse to not vote even if Harris was saying everything the propaganda tells you she should. And, I can't stress this enough, you're part of a very small group of people. What you're saying isn't all that different from someone saying they can't understand why Harris wouldn't say the Earth is flat because she's losing the flat earther vote if she doesn't.
She's not saying the things you want her to say because you are wrong. Surrounding yourself only with people that agree with you doesn't change that.
No.
Lol what's that one rule where of there's a question in the headline the answer is almost always no?
Betteridge's rule of headlines.
Moreover, Harris often stresses that her support for Israel is “unwavering”. She has been part of an administration that has overseen unconditional support for the brutal war on Gaza, and recently, she welcomed Israeli escalation in Lebanon.
When asked recently what she would have done differently from Biden, Harris said “not a thing that comes to mind”, stressing that she has been part of the decision-making process at the White House on most important issues.
Separate from the moral issue, this just speaks to her being a really poor campaigner. These are softball questions designed to allow her to create daylight with an unpopular president on her terms. Reminds me a lot of how much she fumbled her primary campaign.
But old guy picked her and old guy was old on camera, so I guess she's our best option. Still better than the alternatives, both Biden and Trump, but just sort of sad from a nation of 330M people.
I think an often overlooked group of Americans are those that just don't give a shit about the middle east. From their perspective it full of assholes led by groups that hurt women and minorities. Religious kooks that are constantly commiting acts of terrorism around the world, and actively regressing year after year. Every attempt to "help" in the area makes everything worse.
I'm from a hugely diverse, well educated, part of the US and growing up the same joke about the middle east was used for the last 40 years. "They should just glass the whole region if they ever want to see peace in the middle east."
It goes without saying everything about that is terrible.
Islamophobia is normalized in America, especially since 9/11. The dehumanization of people in the Middle East is intentional in order to Manufacture Consent for US Foreign Policy in the Region, especially since the Iraq War. Plus the extent of our Military Operations are barely even touched on if at all.
This Genocide in Gaza has been a notable exception, it's difficult for US News Outlets cover the News and paint our Ally Israel in a good light when it's been a year of daily Human Rights Violations done by our Ally with our Unconditional Military Support
