I love people with kids who are oblivious they're shitty parents.

24 y/o with a teaching job.
No real income is what she has. Probably on top of a shitton student debt.
- Don't forget how much money she spends on classroom supplies for her "not real kids"!
- Apparently she doesn't have a good parent either.
- "no real bills" I'd believe...if the parent said she lived at home (no rent, and food provided), was on parents' insurance (health, auto, etc.), had no student debt, and was walking distance to work.
  But given that her parent didn't, I'd guess that isn't the case. Turns out rent, food, transportation, and like you said, student debt, are all...what's the word...real bills?
  
  To a lot of people "serious bills" means credit card debt for shit they didn't need.
- She's also probably paying for school supplies.
- 'Murica!
- By the description it sounds like she lives at home? Teachers start most places at $40k+ a year. If she doesn't have any bills and she's 24 and no longer wants to wear glasses or contacts, yeah. That's on her.
  *Edit: Some of you disagree with my remarks about most teachers starting at over $40k. So in a below comment I provided facts and sources. The "teachers start most places at $40k+" is spot on.
  
  Where are teachers starting at $40,000? That was 10 year salary in most of the US not even 5 years ago. My brother, his wife, and one of my sisters all started at ≈$24,000 a year, and they still had to supply their classrooms with basic supplies. They all got into teaching at completely different points over the last 19 years. One in '05, one in '12, and the last in '16 and they all started at ≈$24,000 a year. This was in Indiana, Georgia, and Virginia.
  
  My starting teacher salary in 2016 was $33K before taxes
  
  Spoken like someone who doesn’t have student debt. Or understand it at all.

This pervasive selfishness in older generations sickens and astounds me.
Imagine not wanting to give your kids everything.
I would forego food if I had to in order to help my kids see better.
- I would forego food to make sure my kids had glasses or contacts, sure.
  I would not forego food so they could have elective surgery.
  
  Pay once or pay multiple times a year? LASIK pays for itself, you’ll always be buying glasses and contacts.
  
  An elective surgery you call it, an investment in their vision, I call it. Not everyone has vision as part of their insurance, and contacts/glasses/exams can get expensive without (or even with, depending on the policy). Viewed in that way, LASIK can definitely be seen as an investment.
  
  It's not like she's asking for breast implants or liposuction(or something else that is not reconstructive in nature). It's lasik, and it'll help her quality of life, no more worrying about breaking her glasses or losing contacts.
  We dont know if she works in special ed where getting hit in the face could be a normal occurance for her. Maybe she struggles with contacts. Either way there are a lot of reasons for someone to want to go that route.
  Also, comparing lasik to something like nonreconstructive cosmetic surgery is disingenuous. One is completely for aesthetics, the other affects function.
  
  Would you forego getting a 3rd car or building an addition on your home or half of your yearly retirement investment so your kid wouldn't have to spend too much money every few years on glasses?
  That is the biggest chance of what actually would be the situation.
- This isn't a generational problem. It exists across all generations. Looks more like narcissism
  
  Did you mean "isn't a generational problem?"
  The rest of the comment makes more sense to me that way, but as is written, I'm not certain what you are trying to say.
  
  Baby boomers were called “the me generation” by their predecessors before being called baby boomers. Sure, there are selfishness and narcissism at any period. But when everybody notices a trend, it’s hard to say they’re just like everyone else.
- Dirty commie kid, he should pay for food/shelter/happiness with labor /s
- I believe it’s because they’re all brain damaged due to lead poisoning from leaded gasoline that was widely used in their formative years.
- I believe it’s because they’re all brain damaged due to lead poisoning from leaded gasoline that was widely used in their formative years.
- She isn't going blind. Lol.
  She just doesn't want to wear contacts or glasses anymore.

"no real kids"
"no real bills"
🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
the fact that he added "real" to both means she has them but he somehow doesn't consider them real, whatever the fuck that means. but this sounds like a total piece of shit and i feel sorry for the 24 year old.
nothing like ruining the economy and the future for the next generation and then refusing to help.
- I think everyone is misunderstanding the "kids" part.
  The daughter is a teacher, meaning she has "kids" (i.e. in her classroom), but not "real kids", as in, kids of her own. A strange way of saying it, but I'm sure that's what she meant.
  The no real bills part... that could mean anything. If she's living with her folks and doesn't have to pay rent, utilities, etc., then I can understand how a request like that could be taken poorly by the mother.
  Still, posting it on social media is Karen-like behaviour.
- I'm guessing the kids comment was about pets. 'No real bills' I'm guessing she still lives at home and pays some token amount towards rent/utilities.
  We can speculate all we like, but I could see this going either way, and I'd be frustrated if my 24 year old couldn't support themselves too.
  
  I mean she's a teacher. A very hard job with lots of unpaid work that often offers downright sad wages.
  Being unable to support oneself despite a full-time job is a more and more common thing in our world.
  
  My cousin is a coparent in a polycule of 3, but she is not the biological parent of their children, she is the default parent though, as she is a SAHM and the other parents work. They've been together for 23 years.
  Half my family acts like she doesn't have any children, and that she's some sad single live in nanny. They will ask her how her "room mates and their kids" are going, even if the "room mate" is standing next to her with his hand on her arse and has just finished telling a story about how in love they are.
  My dad is also thinks I have "no real bills" because I don't have a mortgage. He says rent isn't a real bill because it's not like the bank will take my house if I don't pay. History opinion on evictions is "that not the same, because you can get a new place to rent that night, you can't buy a new house in a day"
  My rent is 6x more than his mortgage and I don't know anyone who could get approved for a rental the same day they get evicted for not paying rent, but sure dad, I'm rolling in expendable income over here.
  Some families are weird about denying how their relatives live.
  But it could also be that she calls her cat "her baby" and lives at home with only personal bills.
  
  i feel like if he's frustrated about his kid and she only has pets he'd just say no kids. but people are weird with animals so who knows.
  
  I'd expect 'no real bills' to include rent for their own apartment (because the parent doesn't get how much it costs nowadays), but no car bills for example.
- "Can you describe the nature of the unrealness of these bills, as its own thing and not as the absence of something else?"
  Just thought the dissection of that particular "weasel word" might help someone out there at some point.
  "Brandy made in Germany isn't "real" cognac. The nature of the unrealness is that it was made in Germany and not the cognac region of France."
  You may disagree but my point here is, right or wrong, you can always describe the nature of the unrealness, unless its being used as a cheap, underhanded rhetorical device.

what does "no real kids" and "no real bills" mean?
- Pets and "only" bills related to the daughter and her everyday life.
  
  And I'd bet "real bills" are only bills that the parent deems worthy --- mortgage, car payment, etc. I'm guessing teacher pays rent, utilities, pays for groceries...
- It's worse when you consider that "real bills", ie a mortgage, is probably out of her reach while he had it easy.
  He's mocking his own daughter, when she probably got absolutely fucked by corruption and the economy, for not having the opportunity to indebt herself for housing, when he probably bought his house on a potato salary.

The fuck does no real bills mean? Does eating, rent and gas/insurance not count as real bill?
- Forget the bills, why does she clarify no real kids?
  
  Pets, or the more grotesque option, step-children.
  
  I assumed that they might be referring to either pets or kids in her class at school. Don't teachers have to pay for stuff out of pocket a lot of times?
  
  Stranger still: "no real kid(s)".
- More importantly what does no real kids mean?
  Step kids? Only daughters? Just pets?
  
  Probably the kids she has in classroom.
  
  Students, maybe?
- I just assumed she lived at home a d mom and dad paid for her car, insurance and cell phone. If she's lucky, they also paid for college.
- You know what, i kinda agree. Eating, rent, transport, etc shouldnt be real bills. A teacher 100% should be able to pay for those easily.
  
  I mean that is how it works in my country, not so much the US

She only has fake kids and fake bills
- I bet it was because she is not married and has kids. The conservative mind ladies and gentleman and in betweens.
  
  It's her students

Dammit Mom, my 56 imaginary kids cost me nearly my ENTIRE paycheck! Have some sympathy.
But for real, what is "real kids?"
- because she’s a teacher she probably pays out of pocket for school/project supplies. i’ve known a good few teachers, and refereeing to students as sort-of surrogate children is very common. i’d put my money on the mom hassling the daughter about not yet having kids, and the daughter saying something like “i already have kids!” and this idiot is still bitter about it because she feels she is OWED grandchildren.
  i’m making a LOT of assumptions here, but like i said i WOULD put money on it. you hear enough firsthand stories and you start making these sort of assumptions.
  
  Yeah, I've met so, so many of these kinds of parents through my job, and you can reliably predict their behavior just by wondering "what's the most selfish and entitled action they could take here?"
- Sounds like she’s bitter that she hasn’t been given the grandchildren she thinks she is owed.
- I think the parent is male.

I wonder if this lady will ever realize the politicians she votes for (come on, we know which party) are why her daughter with one of the most importsnt jobs in the entire world can't afford to see. Probably not.
- If her eyesight can't be corrected with glasses, I don't Lasik is going to help.

Why does she say no real kids? Did she adopt or something and the mom is crazy?
- Probably has a pet or two and doesn't want any "real" kids so they don't end up acting like their parents...
- My fifth grade teacher never had any kids, and considered us as her children. Maybe something like that is what she is referring to?
- She has robokids

Teaching is a real job, probably one of the hardest
Your daughter is fucking blind, and you're laughing at her? You are slime
- Being a teacher usually requires a Master's degree. She very probably has student debt.
  
  She absolutely doesn't need Lasik though. Calling her out isn't cool though.
  
  Depends on where you live
  
  No it doesn't
- Lasik doesn't fix blindness. If Lasik can help, most people live with corrective lenses, because they are much much cheaper even over the long haul than Lasik.
  I certainly disagree with going to social media over the exchange, but Lasik is far from a "need" for anyone and isn't something to consider equivalent to "curing blindness"
  
  Lasik isn't some life saving critical operation that would be provided for if she lived in a leftist European state, you make do with contacts or glasses until you can afford it. The parent is a dumbass too for running to twitter with this but it is an elective.

- Can confirm from the tail end of Gen X. There were some total cunts that called themselves neo-conservatives that I went to a Liberal Arts College, called Transylvania University with. One would have thought they would have taken even a cursory look at that school and declared it part of "The Leftist Elite," but they still ended up there somehow.
  
  No no no, you don't understand! Liberal Arts colleges are infested with leftist agents and propaganda, and one could never gain anything of value studying there!
  Unless, of course, you're a conservative man who studied economics there; then, your education makes you knowledgable and impressive. Of course, of course...
- Fuck of with that stupid generationism. This is narcissism, a mental illness which exists in people of all ages.
  Generationism is something that is made up to make people forget about the actual structural problems in society.

Dude this is like every post on the estranged parents sub on reddit... they really are oblivious to the fact that their kids have good reasons to hate them

"No one has audacity like the people you raised" proceeds to post about it to potentially millions of people, you know like people without audacity do.

It wouldn’t occur to me to broadcast this to others on the internet, especially with personal details, even for a random solicitor, let alone a family member, let alone my own child.
And since the kid didn’t anticipate the public ridicule, it may very well be the first time they ever asked for this kind of help. What an awful way to learn your parent considers you little more than an expendable prop in their social life.
In nature, some species prey upon their young. We usually understand this as an evolutionary mechanism, to ensure only the strongest offspring survive. With that in mind, if your parent behaves like this, consider that they may no longer be your caregiver, and it may be time for you to decide what it takes to be the offspring that survives.
- Social darwinism disgusts me...
  
  Social Darwinism disgusts me…
  Same, but I picked this illustration for a reason.
  Abusive parents often use essentialist language to keep their children bound with obligation and guilt. Vulnerability to that rhetoric tends to be associated with notions of “natural law,” so I suspect a natural metaphor has a better chance of resonating with those that need to hear it.
- And when the time comes that shitty person will ask "why she doesn't love me? Why she threw me to this garbage asylum?" without understanding it.
  
  And only because at some point they decided to stop hearing anyone who disagreed. It’s not just their kids who stop talking to them. Eventually everyone figures it out, and this type of person ends up pretty isolated later in life.
- It wouldn’t occur to me to broadcast this to others on the internet, especially with personal details, even for a random solicitor, let alone a family member, let alone my own child.
  That enrages me. I don't understand why people feel the need to air their dirty laundry on social media. Keep that shit to yourself, the relevant parties, and your therapist.
  
  For some reason, some folks think they can make themselves look better by making everyone around them look worse.
- I'm hoping she doesn't teach highschoolers. If her students cought wind of this post and worked out it was about their teacher, classroom management goes out the window.

Someone tell them "i think i raised an entitled shit" isn't the pwn they think it is

Remember when our parents told us social media is bad? Here it is, they are exactly why.

The biggest child in the room is that pain in the ass of a parent.

My daughter that is under-paid because she's a teacher and they are all under-paid is asking me for financial help, and I'm a scumbag outing her for trying to have a better quality of life with a medical procedure early in her working career.
Man, I hate the internet sometimes...

To be fair you can get a pair of glasses on Zenni for like 20 bucks.
- With prescription lenses?
  
  Yep! You just get a prescription from the eye doctor and enter the values on the site. 20 bucks later and boom you have some very reliable and inexpensive glasses. I've been using these guys for years and had basically zero issues.
  
  I got a pair of prescription glasses and sun glasses from Payne glasses for $80. I stopped wearing contacts a few years ago, and I work outside. I really missed having sun glasses.
  
  Yep, also need your pupillary distance. i havent gotten an exam in so long i cant remember if thats included in the prescript. Luckily my eyesight hasnt gotten worse (yet).
  Wearing my 26 dollar photochromic zennis for this comment. Been using zenni glasses for the better part of a decade.
  
  Yep. I used them after I got new lenses. My eye doc gave me all the numbers I needed to enter.
  
  Best part is if you know your script you can tweak it if your vision changes.
- From what I remember, $20 gets you a premium pair! I was getting glasses from Zenni and others for <$10.
  If the daughter is looking at Lasik, it's not out of necessity.

Wouldn’t it have been nice to get Bernie’s medicare for all, with vision and dental coverage, so people fresh out of college with their likely first real job don’t need to ask their shitty ass parents for help?
- It would be nice if boomers and older Gen Xers would stop cashing out and then blaming millennials and zennials for the inflation being out of control and the economy not being the monolith it was in the 1980's. You know, the 80's during which that little tech boom thing happened right around the time a famous actor got elected president and immediately started de-regulating everything under the sun so that huge corporations could start squeezing employees and consumers like the chattel they are, thereby inflating the value of goods, services, and land.

Why would people want to be on Twitter for posts like this?
It's like joining a real life club where the more of a jerk you are, the more speaking time you get.
- same reason people still watch reality tv

This is bad form all around... like, yeah, be a parent and love your kids more than yourself.
Even if you are incapable of that, at least be smart enough to not be shitty to the people who will pick your nursing home.
- If it happens, the following sentiment, a few decades down the road:
  "Look at this shitty nursing home my daughter shipped me off to. AFTER ALL I'VE DONE FOR HER!"
  And it could even be a good nursing home barely within the means of a son or daughter, suffering from some sort of Stockholm Syndrome sense of duty. The narcissistic, miserable, martyrdom complex is a goddamned guarantee.

Sad b/c teachers really don't get rewarded monetarily enough, and OOP is acting like that's some kinda lucrative career that would provide enough even for that.

Am I the only one who lives with their parent and helps paying bills? I am asking, because some people seem to be surprised that my father forces me to pay for the living in his house, but the truth is I don't mind that, and I'd rather not be a freeloader.
- If your parents want you to pay rent, while at the same time complaining that you still live with them(which is often the situation), they can charitably be called dumbfucks.
  
  I understand the need to privacy as people get older, but if my kids want to stay with me for a long period of their life, I will be pleased to have them with me as long as they like.
  
  I really subscribe to the idea of the kid helping on bills + a little extra and the parent saving as much as they financially can of that into an account and giving it to their kid as a moving away gift.
  But yes, I think you are more talking about having the kid pay market price to live at home which is fucked.
- I mean, if you're an adult with an income and living with anyone else (parents, roommate, etc.), you really should be helping with the upkeep of the place and bills. As well as paying for your own food, phone bill, etc.
  "Forcing you to pay" sounds harsh without context. You'd have to pay rent to live anywhere else, right? Perhaps, "expected to pay" seems more logical... assuming you're an adult with an income.
- It's situational, but you're not the only one.
  I lived with my dad for many years because he slowly lost the ability to take care of himself. My brother and I were there to handle whatever he needed and since I was working full time, I'd cover bills when it was required, either because he forgot or because he was struggling.
  We eventually made the decision to have him moved to a care facility where he could get the care he needed, and far better care than we could hope to provide. He's passed on now, but it happens. That was a crazy time in my life. Now I live independently.
  For the record, I'm over 40 now, and I'm the youngest of his children. He died a few years back at this point.
- Setting an appropriate amount of contribution is between you and your dad. There is no wrong way except if a child truly needs a roof to sleep under and they aren't a complete fuck up.
  
  Even complete fuck ups need a roof
- I think It is fair that the members of a family, that are a community living together or not, all share in the burdens of life so it is easier for everyone. But if the parents are like forcing you to pay rent, then I would just live somewhere else.
  Put in another way. It is fine if you have an adult children to say "hey, help out anyway you can so it is easier to everyone" and if they cannot figure out how to do that or they are like stuck and not progressing in life then instead of an ultimatum of "pay rent" better is a "I think you need the experience of living on your own". Again I am all for money staying in the family and much prefer that or even better they saving money to buy a place than paying rent to some shitty landlord. But anyway.

How dare a family member ask for help. Who do they think they are?

I only pay made-up fake bills, no real ones

Shitty parents are the reason why I'm a sugar daddy.

To be fair... On the one hand, publicly complaining about the upbringing of your own daughter is just bad, but on the other...
When you're 24 years old with your own (presumedly good) income and you want a non critical operation done, shouldn't you try and finance that yourself?
- Yeah there are a lot of possible nuances here.
  LASIK can be optional, but there are a lot of situations where it can make a huge difference depending on her eyesight issues.
  Teacher salary is NOT good in most places. And at 24 she's entry level. Could be making less than enough to really live on, depending on CoL in her area.
  
  Add in that as a teacher she likely has student loans to pay on... At least until she can get through the system and get on the public service repayment option. I think they were trying to improve it but last time I tried to get on it the system was less than ideal to work with
- Shouldn't goverment finance healthcare?
  Wait, wrong country.
  Finace yourself? In this economy?!
  
  Shouldn’t goverment finance healthcare?
  Are there any countries where LASIK is covered?
  
  Government should do that fully, even lasik, in my opinion, but this is the US, so yeah.
  I just tried to make the argument that the woman has a point, at that age you should show some responsibility for your own life
- Came here to say this.

What does "lol" mean in this context?
- Lots of love as usual.

Don't bleep out these names please, let the world know who these douchebags are

Wanting Lasik surgery doesn't mean she's blind, she just doesn't want to wear glasses anymore. It's a vanity thing.
- Not necessarily a vanity thing, it's also a pain in the ass and a life long expense. Do you know how many times I've woken up and found my glasses fell some where and I can't find them? Or the screws loosened and a lense fell out while I'm out doing something? And a pair of glasses can run you anywhere from $200-$800+ every few years, let alone the optometrist appointments to get your prescription updated.
  
  If you need your glasses prescription updated then the Lasik correction you had also no longer works, you still need the optometrist appointments to check eye health. A new pair of glasses can be had for a lot less than $200 as well.
  
  I haven't paid ridiculous optometrist prices for glasses in this millenium and I don't understand why people still do.
- I don't think the mom's laughing if she's blind. Yes, it's a pain in the ass, sometimes, to have glasses. But no, I'm not paying for lasik for my kid who needs glasses/contacts.
  Downvotin' @Hikermick@lemmy.world doesn't make them wrong.

I don't know which one is the bad parent here.