Very well-stated (& calm) response to what is turning into a heated discussion about users on the hexbear.net instance

lemmy.one Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? - Lemmy.one

(The title you see below mine is the wording chosen by the OP of the full post - I hope I do not cause offense, but I cannot control it showing up here as it is linked.)

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I did not create this community so that users would have community-on-community drama. I'm not necessarily against politics, nor do I wish to demean the discussion of servers. But its not helpful to Lemmy overall to keep this post here. As such, I'm locking this topic.

I do expect various communities to have more discussions about each other as Lemmy matures. And there needs to be a place for community (or even server-wide) discussion. But this "BestOfLemmy" community is not the location for that.

I realize that by locking this topic, meta-discussion is somewhat hampered. If you want to continue to discuss, please use the "Welcome Thread". Or otherwise direct message me and I'm sure we can work something out.
They hit the nail on the head, there.

There was an asklemmy thread asking something like "what change would you like to see on Lemmy", and I answered that I'd like to see the communists be nicer. I tried to be gentle to not upset them, but I guess they just have a victim mentality and some of them decided to defend their shit attitude. It went about how I expected.

I was just glad I didn't get banned, but that's more of a problem with lemmy.ml (I'm not privy to how things are handled on hexbear).
- I don't even mind the hostility. I get the hostility. It's the dogmatic black-and-white views that irk me. Like, sorry that international politics doesn't fit into your pseudoreligious slots of absolute good and evil?
  
  I mean, when it's not the issue of playing apologia for atrocities and totalitarianism. That gets my dander up in a hurry too.
  
  There are a lot of things I dislike about them. But aggression? Nah, I get that.
  
  Could you help me wrinkle my brain a bit today? I feel like I should know why you say you understand the aggression, but I don't, and I really want to
  
  Edit: And I hope this doesn't come off like false naïveté, I am being sincere, please assume Chris Pratt "I'm scared to ask" intentions here
- Yeah I’m a communist and I agree. Like, dude even just tactically nobody wants to agree with people who act like that. I get that it’s frustrating when people disagree with things you believe to be fundamental moral issues, but also don’t be a dick to people who do agree or want to know more.
  
  There’s a reason I don’t tell most people I’m a communist, they have bad opinions of us. I instead say what I believe and often they’re open to it. Some even agree. They can learn that that’s communism later
- The big 3 - lemmgrad.ml, hexbear.net, and lemmy.ml, and now reportedly add midwest.social as far as this matter is concerned (though that one still differs in other matters, as regardless of the behavior of its admins, most users seem to just see the word "midwest" and think "I'm kind-of left-leaning myself so...") - are extremely well-known for banning people at the drop of a hat. Much (exactly) like conservatives, authoritarianism is totally okay, so long as it occurs by their preferred, blessed places/people - it is only those "other" people, especially those who don't agree hard enough, that derive the most ire from them.
There's nothing that's bestof material here.
- I mean its best of lemmy.
- There's a famous quote that I like by Rudyard Kipling:
  
  If you can keep your head, when everyone around you is losing theirs...
  
  This comment, offering calmness amongst the storm, intrigued me.
  
  The comment is far less calm than you would have us believe. I think it just resonated with your own frustrations. That doesn't make it good in any way.
  
  The man who can keep his head when everyone around him is losing theirs, has found who to blame for the fuckup
Seems like these people have a "but I can save them" relationship with hexbear. It's gonna end in tears for one of them and it's not gonna be the hard-core communist
- I would argue that the belief of communism is besides the point here - even if certain people really truly did know better than certain other people, about whatever matter, then that is all the more reason to be particularly convincing with sound argumentation espousing rational behavior, rather than trolling and brigading and banning tactics. And if not... then they may feel as free as they like to complain, as people who refuse to do otherwise go ahead and block them, and warn others about what they are likely to encounter if they go into those echo chambers.
  
  Yes, agreed. It's absolutely not about the communism, but it's about the brigading and the general assholery
Fuck hexbear, they are all, and I'm not generalizing I'm being factual, all a bunch of neurodivergent anti-social, ignorant, dipshit, troglodyte morons who have never left the comfort of their homes or kept a stable job or have anyonein thier pathetic lives that love them. They are all burdens to the societies they happen to live in, and have become shut-in losers.

If you're a hexbear moderator reading this: fuck you, ban me.
- Even if that were true - and it's objectively not - sinking to that level does nobody any good.
  
  Take care of yourself, and don't worry overmuch about people on the internet being wrong, would be my take:-). (Also, they cannot ban you here - hexbear.net is an entire instance, and BestOfLemmy is not a community that resides on it, but rather Lemmy.World)
  
  I'm just kidding, I love hexbear and their counter culture. They essentially exist to lure the crazies and unhinged and deserve to continue
- I wouldn't put it so aggressively, but I stopped arguing with one of them recently, because I realized that I was punching down. I'm not going to try and diagnose, but some sort of neurodivergence that leads to hyperfocusing on irrelevant details, and black and white thinking.
  
  I don't think the answer is insulting them, that just validates their ingroup/outgroup mentality. The best thing to do is to just encourage them to keep on trying to improve themselves, and try to work on their maturity for when they become adults.
  
  If they can learn more to live in the world, like to have discussions politely, then they can learn much over the years.
  
  While if they must remain constrained to the spaces that will tolerate them... then they may, probably even, not.
  
  Hot take: sometimes it's okay to punch down.
- Go tell em yourself instead of sticking to your safe space, big man
  
  "Hello Hexbear, I would just like to tell you that I disagree--"
  
  You have been banned for sinophobia
  
  Already have. Been banned from another account, little guy

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