memes @lemmy.world

5mo ago

Reality can be disappointing

And unfortunately lemmy.ml is getting more online traffic recently.

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If the discussion is good, what is the problem? Genuine question.
- Lemmy.ml is run by people who spread authoritarian propaganda, most likely the CCP. It's a real stain on Lemmy and people shouldn't support or legitimize it in any way.
  
  Those same people are also the lead developers of lemmy.
  
  Using Lemmy in general pretty much is legitimizing lemmy.ml's admin work though...
- It's not a good discussion when they ban you in the middle of it for saying NATO is a defensive alliance.
  
  I said worse things about USSR history and I still comment on political LM posts when I feel like putting effort, and don't even care about the instance if the subject is neutral. Their users did appreciate deeper digs in what it really was if I could produce some insights. The only user\mod I had problems with is y-tos, and I choose not to touch anything they write at all.
  
  That is a shock? In my experience political and news communities are always biased and will remove anything that isn't a part of the narrative. Some are worse than others but the desire to stop "misinformation" often leads to censorship.
  
  lol Based
  
  Its fair game because my comment got removed on lemmy.world for criticizing Israel.
- Because the discussion isn’t good, the instance admins themselves go from thread to thread removing anything that doesn’t agree with their chosen narrative of the week(subject to change according to the latest ccp talking points)
  
  Because the discussion isn't good...
  Bro first line in the meme says "you see an amazing discussion"
- Sometimes it isn't bad. For instance the privacy community is generally pretty good. However, there are some mods who have a "different" way of seeing things. They want the communities they mod to be propaganda machines.
  I used to get annoyed but now I just move on to different communities. I will say that the admins of Lemmy.ml have gotten a lot more reasonable. They are still politically far left but they don't force there views nearly as much. Its some of the mods that are the problem. I don't care what they believe in but you shouldn't remove something because it challenges your beliefs
  
  Ehhh no
  Lemmy.Ml admins are trash
  Exhibit A
  
  They're not far left. They're China/Russia shills. Authoritarianism isn't far left.
- Some people get really bent out of shape that not every instance is exactly the same as lemmy.world, cheer-leading for the exact same worldview. They are intellectually brittle and emotionally weak, so when they don't see the same group-think taking over somewhere they can't control they need to post something like "BUT WE ALL HATE THEM OVER THERE, RIGHT FELLAS?! WE GOOD, THEM BAD! LET'S DE-FEDERATE!"
  
  people that disagree with me are dumb and sensational, here's an emotional strawman argument against them
- As @Kecessa stated, any interaction with lemmy.ml legitimises the entire instance.

I see this as an absolute win! The point of decentralized social media is that discussion happens across many different linked sites. It doesn't work if lemmy.world is the only big site out there.
Sure have your beef with the admins of another server, but why get upset that discussions are happening there?
- It’s only really a problem when comments get removed or people get banned because they have opposing views.
  
  Bans are fine IMO, I don't want tankie shit clogging up my feed. I should be able to block those views and the admin should be allowed to block them from participating if they so choose.
  
  Pro palestinian comments get removed on lemmy.world. Some people have the same argument as you but about diametrically opposing idealogy
- It’s important that one group of people should not be able to monopolize the discussion. I believe it’s important to the long-term health of the fediverse even if I don’t agree with some of those groups.
  
  I agree there, but only if both sides of an argument are arguing in good faith. A lot of chucklenuts out there just want to start shit with bullshit arguments or to simply be contrarian. If one side is rational and using actual evidence while the other is blatantly pulling shit from their ass, that's not good for anything.
- The real solution would be for the decentralization to be happening in the background and for the platform to be accessible from one website and to let users take care of their own feed themselves.
  
  But then it's centralized on one website and the person who owns that domain has control over the whole
  
  Isn't that how it is already.

Normalise criticizing both the West and China/Russia for their shit.
Don't make it your identity to defend horrible shit, anywhere.
Past or Present
- Banned.
  
  This, but unironically is ml experience
  
  Literally
- Normalise criticizing both the West and China/Russia
  But you still have to admit that the West is better. Otherwise you're doing a Whataboutism

lemmy.world users when lemmy.ml user don't immediately suck up to political propaganda
There's a reason why having both world news communities from both instances is a good thing. You'll receive a much wider range of sources and bias, as well as the perspective of people who don't completely agree with you.
Staying within on instance community creates an echo chamber like reddit. There's even such a wild difference within lemmy.world between c/Politics and c/News, despite them often posting similar news and info.
- You'll receive a much wider range of sources and bias, as well as the perspective of people who don't completely agree with you.
  That's why I often interact with Truth Social /s
- normally i would be inclined to agree with you, but when we're talking about people who "believe" that the left is more of a fascist threat than the political right in the US, i don't think that should be a valid held opinion currently.
- The biggest differences seems to be .ml Russia and China are never wrong and Israel drinks the blood of Palestinian children. On .world Israel is just bad, and China and Russia have problems.
- They are both generally left. I wouldn't call that unbiased
  
  Being non-right is a level of bias I think the world can live with.

I genuinely have no idea what this is. I just came here for the cat memes. There are very few cat memes here.
- Be the change you want to see in the world!

I haven't found Lemmy.ml to be all that objectionable. It's not like they are hexbear.
- Try criticizing China's government on one of their posts.
  
  You don't even have to. Most the time they'll take whatever innocent topic/comment at had and somehow twist it into Russia/China Good, America/West bad.
  
  I'll have you know that China is the greatest nation on earth.
  Those people totally deserved to be silenced, jailed or killed. The Chinese government is the one trustworthy source of truth. Reality it mistaken.
  
  Criticizing the Chinese government is xenophobia! Straight to the gulag.
- They're not as bad as Hexbear, sure, but they're constantly turning everything into a political discussion.
  After spending a bit of time on communities based on their instance, you just get so sick of hearing about it.
  Hexbear are vile, ML are just annoying.
  
  Why are they vile?
- I've seen one of their users say it's ok for middle eastern countries to oppress LGBTQ people in an LGBTQ community. Haven't seen much else from there because that's when I decided the ml instances were more trouble than their worth and blocked them.
  
  Wait until you see there thoughts on the evils of the west. They spout out propaganda and don't do a lot of free thinking.
- No they are tankies. I got banned from the comics sub for criticizing a comic that gave a, to put it nicely, very one sided perspective on communism.
  
  Communist != Tankie.
  Communism is explicitly an economic framework. "Tankie" defines authoritarians who believe in the Communist economic framework. That leaves a lot of room for all other sorts of Communists.
- I’ve had comments deleted that ran against the grain at .ml, even when they were adequately sourced. I don’t think the instance is necessarily objectionable, but the mods will object to things they don’t want to hear.
  
  I don't think I've ever had a comment deleted there, but I blocked the instance anyway. Life is too short to engage with people whose values are entirely antithetical to my own. At least not on their home turf.
- stick to the linux subs and you'll be ok over there. As soon as politics comes up, they go full tankie.
  
  In fairness they probably find the Lemmy.world politics subs equally as divisive.
  I stick clear of politics on Lemmy all together unless I really can't hold my tongue
- As long as your sick to non political or historical communities, they are tolerable. Any deviation from above and you might as well be on hexbear.
  
  So then why not just block those subs?
- This post pretty much sums up my problems with .ml
  
  Just an example of mod tools in action...
- Why do you love genocide?
- Even Hexbear has interesting content sometimes. Also, they have great stickers.
  I don't get this animosity between instances. That's why I'm on lemm.ee: it feels like the capibara instance.
- Check the mod logs from the shit communities there. They will full on ban you just for having a liberal perspective.
  That place is hot garbage.
- Some of us are nice

Since blocking .ml, I've not accidentally contributed to things there. As a result, I haven't had any hate in my inbox since. Just nice, respectful interactions and discussions.
- Ooooh I'm about to stuff that inbox FULL of hate!

Your mistake is not having lemmy.ml blocked
- How? I keep seeing hexbear comments even though I blocked the entire instance

Eh, it's no lemmygrad
- Lemmtgrad/Ml/hexbear occupy the same landscape
  
  The same landscape = Russian "troll farm" operatives.
- It is worse, more worse and worst.
  Can I just not have it at all?

I’m subbed to a handful of communities in .ml and it’s not that bad. I consider myself communist, but not of the tankie flavor. Authoritarianism is never a good thing.
If people don’t like those views, they shouldn’t wade in unless they’re willing to have a grounded conversation and not just drop a played out one-liner. I think the most recent uptick in complaints about .ml are because of how often it criticizes liberalism.
Lemmy instances are essentially forums. If I go to a conservative community and tell them all that Marx was right all along, I’m not gonna be surprised when I get banned. Complaining about mods is a tale as old as time itself.
- They literally censor comments even in non political Communities.
  Lemmy.ml is just a Propaganda-Machine.
  
  I’m the type that will leave views up so the conversation can happen, unless the comment is racist, homophobic, blatantly trolling, etc. I’ve read the Lemmy.ml rules and they’re pretty rudimentary, so idk what some of their mods are doing.
  That said, this is what happens when people have control of their communities vs a corporation. It’s a welcome freedom that comes with its pitfalls. The positive is that there are tons of servers with similar communities. If you’re not of the communist flavor, it’s probably a community that you will constantly be at odds with.
- Yeah lets ban discussion too eh.
  That's how I see .ml because you have to be in the cult and not question anything or get banned.
  
  The alternatives are that you find other servers to post on, or you go back to corporate-controlled websites (which would honestly be silly with the amount of Lemmy instances that exist now). So if you commonly find yourself at odds with the subject matter, you can post elsewhere. I’m sure there’s some conservative/other flavor Lemmy communities out there that function the same way. That’s the beauty of the open internet, but it also means people can ban you for whatever reasons they want and there are no repercussions.
  So you wade in at your own risk, which you’re doing either way because there is no strict corporate structure overseeing the rules. It doesn’t mean that every decision people running those sites make is suddenly good, but you at least have freedom of choice when it comes to what servers and communities fit for you. Just like instance runners like myself can also decide which servers to federate with, while blocking others.
  
  Angry because you don't want to see content from Lemmy.ml
  Angry because they don't want to see your content either
  :-/
- I got banned there for stating an opinion and at that point I don't really know what to do anymore. You have a handful of people who spout their one sided talking points into the void (probably) and if anyone says anything, they get banned.
  They can have their bubble there but aren't bubbles the fundamental problem of social media?
  So they do nothing about broader and fundamental problems of social media which they should do as alternative social media platform.
- Try saying anything negative of Putin/Russia (apparently also China/Xi) and you'll see how pro-authoritarian and heavily censored their threads are. I know because that's what got me banned from the privacy ml sub last week!
  Edit: found exact comment from modlog which states ban was for violating rule 2 = "Be respectful" (i.e. anything the mods disagree with).
  Nothing. OP is a tankie / Russian PsyOps operative. If you care about a Russian billionaire who's surveillance capitalism platform refuses to even acknowledge requests to remove criminals, you deserve to live under the boot of Russia's authoritarian Kleptocracy. Save your energy for the actual wars on encryption and privacy that western plutocrats and capitalism are waging under the lie of Freedom™️.

And unfortunately lemmy.ml is getting more online traffic recently.
Is it? It looks pretty stable to me. Conversely, world, lemm.ee and shitjustworks are all experiencing slight but noticeable growth.

What's a better way to make our little community bigger and better that having pesky antagonisms over every little difference we can find.
We better centralize over a single instance of people thinking exactly like we do.
Big /S by the way.
And I'm not even from .ml but come'on, we share more than we disagree on.
- The .ml instance has deliberately overt bias and will literally ban you for not agreeing with their interpretation of Marxist-Leninist communism.
  Bad faith “conversation” is their thing.
  Many of their communities are becoming “the Donald” type situations.
  You choose to socialize and mingle with who you want
  
  I fully expect the MAGA mentality is fully transferable to any other far-left ideological group with a purity doctrine that is exclusive and abusive to outsiders.
  This mentality is actually ideologically agnostic and will ride any wave it can to feed the emotional needs of the adherent.
  
  How is that different from say news on .world?
  They both ban on ideology.
  
  The .ml instance has deliberately overt bias
  My guy, you're posting in a thread that's just Overt Bias + Meme. I don't think anyone here has room to talk
- ML is run by tankies, who historically infiltrate, corrupt, and eliminate anarchist projects with anti-socialist, anti-communist, and hierarchical methods and motivations. MLs are to Anarchists as a tapeworm is to a cow.
  Edit: stay mad, tankies.
  
  I disagree.
  I've worked in actual political projects in the streets. And I haven't found that.
  You can be forever reading online why some people are the evil incarnated. But when you met and work with people for a common goal reality tend to be better.
  Judging without truly knowing is one of the things we all should be striving to avoid. There are wonderful people everywhere.
  I would recommend yo actually go participate in some common local political protects of you can find some. For me it was eye opening to see that despite one or two things we have common goals, objectives and very likewise minds.
  I also refuse to participate in the endless split of the leftist space, and the never ending false divisions that only weaken us. So for a long time I've refused to identify with any particular leftist group. I am just for the common benefit of humandkind and will welcome anyone with the same goal.

Lemmy could really do with the ability to transfer an account to a new instance. The only reason I'm still on lemmy.world is because I can't be bothered to set up an account on another instance that may be as insufferable.
As for communities, Lemmy just isn't large enough to be picky. World is the biggest instance, but is still dead on anything that's not either a Reddit clone or a popular community.
- There is an export feature that will spit out a json file and you can import it to a new instance. It will carry over your subbed communities and blocked accounts. I use it to sync accounts on different instances (My instance can be slow sometimes)

I don't know. What's the problem with lemmy.ml?
- Any part of any discussion that verges into criticizing Russia or China gets removed by either mods or passing site admins.
  Any comment that is anti-the-West gets a pass no matter how uncivil, inflamatory or dishonest it is.
  
  Why? What's so different between lemmy.world and lemmy.ml (idk what the ml is for)
  
  This only happens on worldnews@lemmy.ml
- Mostly militant tankie mods in worldnews@lemmy.ml. The rest of the instance is fine actually; Their admins aren't as zealous.
  
  The admins are actually pretty chill. They leave the moderation to the mods. That can be really good or really bad.
  It is decently well know that they are communist. They don't go around forcing there views on others though. I respect them for that.
- It's full of originally stupidly pro-communist, now joined by the stupidly anti-communist people. Most of their discussions are "communism good you dumb" and "communism bad you dumb", with a bunch of kindergarten level gotchas.
- Exhibit A
  
  ok, i got it

I love .ml and it’s where I go when I’m in the right mood. Maybe it’s not for everyone, but I say meet .ml halfway.
- Right you are, I am almost complete opposite end of political compass from .ml but still end up having interesting discussions and finding commonalities. To me .world is where the echo chamber dwelling momos live.

Yes! Communism is rampant on there! Not that I’m against it, but they will mass downvote anyone who asks a question that’s against their views. Anyone else?
- Isn't that the basic political community/subreddit experience? If you go to truth social, I don't think you're gonna get many likes
  Echo chambers, hmmmm

mllemmy

I blocked the entire instance.
Much better experience.
- Same here. Good riddance!

.... You're on lemmy.world lol 😭
- I set my feed for all instances to appear. Despite the reputation of lemmy.ml, it's been gaining traction recently.
  
  My brother in Mācuīltōchtl, lemmy.ml is run by the maintainers of Lemmy and was established years before Lemmy.World.
  Lemmy.World has been gaining traction recently, not the other way around.
  
  The vegan community recommended people to move to Lemmy.ml or hexbear 🤦

Well I was thinking this might have been a but over the top and then I see this: https://lemmy.ml/post/19820595
- Could have been a response to my post lol.
  
  Yes, it 100% is. And the mind blowing thing is it just seems to reinforce your meme. Its like a self own but they really lean into it.

Or midwest.social, which for some reason I can't comment or vote on.

Recently changed from Lemmy.today to Lemmy.world because all the CCP communities like Hexbear blocked me so I can't downvote and tell them off for promoting actual propaganda and misinformation. That's pretty much half the feed now uninteractable so I figured I might as well stop seeing them.
- Hexbear doesn't even have down votes, you were doing nothing
  
  I can influence the feeds they show up in by downvoting.

"Amazing discussion" 😳
- The instance and it's mods suck, but the people having discussions there come from all over. Federation n all...
  
  Yeah my funny comments get removed from there all the time 😾

Really, lemmy.ml? Not lemmygrad and not hexbear?
Maybe peek outside your tiny bubble for once if lemmy.ml is bursting it for you
- Interesting that you interpreted a dislike of something as "bursting their bubble". Have you considered alternative explanations that are actually correct?
  
  There are leftists of many stripes in the fediverse, if a discussion on Lemmy.ml ruffles ones feathers because of the predominant politics of their users then yes, it sounds like someone's precious bubble was burst.
  
  Like popping their pimple
- Hmmmm

I want to, but the last time I did I got a rightist.

lemmy: fuck hexbear hexbear: >:( lemmy.ml: exists

This, but lemmy.world instead of lemmy.ml :)
No point in participating in political discussions on LW, as mods just label anything they don't like as misinformation/propaganda/etc. 🙃

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