I hate excel so much

You're entitled to your opinion but I would say Excel is one of the best, if not THE best spreadsheet application ever produced. It's one thing that Microsoft actually got mostly right and one of the only reasons I still pay for an Office 365 subscription.
If you're just creating simple spreadsheets, there's plenty of other options out there.
But, if you're a power user doing a lot of complex data analytics, Excel is still the king.
My main gripe is that I still have to use VBA for a lot of stuff behind the scenes. Yuck.
- If you're going to do complex data analysis, isn't it a pain to use ANY spreadsheet software, no matter how good? I do mine as a Jupyter notebook. The spreadsheet is just for looking at the numbers, maybe sorting some things.
  
  Stop making me feel like my Excel knowledge is useless😔
- I’m not a power user, so I’m often frustrated by Excel trying to do things I don’t want it to and by its abundance of features that I’ll never use.
  And at least at my workplace, a lot of work processes use poorly-designed Excel spreadsheets for critical tasks, because it’s such a simple way to manipulate data.
  I also find that when I need to do more complicated data analysis, Excel starts to become limited, and I find Python to be a more powerful and flexible tool.
  
  And at least at my workplace, a lot of work processes use poorly-designed Excel spreadsheets for critical tasks, because it’s such a simple way to manipulate data.
  I also find that when I need to do more complicated data analysis, Excel starts to become limited, and I find Python to be a more powerful and flexible tool.
  Capability is a double edged sword. Any tool that is capable of doing something is going to be used by someone to do that thing, regardless of whether it should be. Excel gets abused and used for things that it shouldn't be frequently in corporate environments because of its capabilities. I can understand being frustrated by that.
  I use Excel for reporting and analytics because it makes manipulating and visualizing data very easy. Especially if you know what you're doing. No need to write a UI or worry about portability between workstations, etc. At the end of the day it's a tool. A very capable one. Like any tool, it's not the right one for every job.
  
  ohh I see you can also use some ACL type of application. Excel is amazing but can't handle databasis, it has a very small limit
  
  Dude just ask any advanced LLM how to do what you need to do in excel. The info is out there and they've digested in a million times.
  Or, don't. And let your inabilities to do things consume you emotionally. Idgaf.
  Edit: Lemmy's hate-boner for AI is dumbfounding. I get that it's a hype train and shoved down your throats but if you ignore that it will get you results way faster than googling ever did you're basically "old". And I say this pushing 40.
  Downvote away, but I challenge anyone to give me a db and a desired subset that I can't produce by simply querying a good LLM.
- But, if you're a power user doing a lot of complex data analytics, Excel is still the king.
  Only if you refuse to learn SQL and do everything in a fraction of the time with way more functionality.
  
  That works when you have access to a SQL database instead of a bunch of massive CSV files.
  
  Jupyter gang, any other data scientists here?
- Curious what you get out of value from the subscription that you wouldn't get from a slightly older non subscription version of excel?
  
  Has XLOOKUP made its way into the non-subscription version? I've found it a lot easier and flexible to use than VLOOKUP.
- Excel is probably the most powerful application ever created. Especially now that it can be connected to SQL and python natively
  
  There's a tool for a given job. And for some, Excel may be decent. But for many, MS Access used to be far superior to Excel. Not sure if it is still maintained well, as I no longer use MicroShit
- I also love word, publisher, and visio.
  I grudgingly accept outlook.
  I despise PowerPoint

This whole thread could have been an access database

Excel can be it's own kind of awful, but using it with other people makes me want to jump off a bridge onto a rusty bed of nails. They move cells around, change the labels on columns, color cells with no benefit, change half a sheet to comic sans, they fucking send you back "bullshit-v1.0-good.xlsx” then ”garbage name v0.3_gooder.csv". Jesus fuck. The shitty thing has built in version control you ignorant fuck!

This thread surprises me. Excel is fine, but I've seen people do so many silly things with it that it makes me dread having to use it. It's like they treat every cell as its own special little canvas... Oh, you wanna randomly change the date format from mm/dd/yyyy to dd-Mmm-yy mid-column? With Excel, anything is possible.
Maybe I just don't work well with others.
- It doesn't help that Excel tries to be "smart"
  Oh, putting in a lot#? Let's make that a date.
  Most people don't set up an excel for what they want, they start using excel with what they have
- The best way I've heard it explained is that excel is too good at doing too many, but it isn't the correct tool for many of those things. Since it's good and accessible, people make it work and then you get this jumbled mess of stuff after time passes.

Spreadsheets generally are a useful tool, no matter if it's Excel, LibreOffice, or Google Sheets. There's a sweet spot where the data isn't so complicated that it justifies a full database and programming language.
There is a point, though, where you need to admit the dataset and your manipulations of it have gotten too big. If you were wondering who was excited about the Excel row limit going from 16k to 1M back in 2010, the answer is professors of Economics. This should tell you a lot.

Excel is okay as long as it stays in its lane.
It is not okay if you’ve ever worked in a printshop or do graphic design and people send in newsletters or brochures or some shit done within Excel.
Excel is many things; it is not fit to layout documents. Blegh.
- To be honest word isn't good at it either.
  I've found setting a PowerPoint slide to standard paper size is the best for quick page layout and "graphic design" for things like a poster or sign.
  
  Word being a word processor also sucks at document layout. Most software that isn't made for laying out documents suck at it, but people all try. My god do they try...
  
  *Cries in vector

I thought I hated excel, but then I tried Google sheets. Somehow it's even worse.
- How? I live off of GS!

ohhh nonono You hate it because you either don't know how to use/don't use it enough, or you just don't like your job. Excel is amazing, I could cry talking about it hahaha I had to work with google sheets once and almost had a heart attack, if I had no excel my job would be unberable
- I’d agree with this. When I first started using Excel in school and university, I’d follow the instructions and not really know why I was doing what I was doing.
  But then, having to work with Excel at work and make it do new shit, the penny dropped in my head and I understood how spreadsheets worked.
  I use spreadsheets for heaps of things now, even if I don’t need to use formulas. Excel has some weird idiosyncrasies but it’s a good product overall. It’s not as bad as Word, which most people use incorrectly.
  
  How can one possibly use Word incorrectly?

God is Excel good, and I feel like I've barely touched the VBA part making buttons for my colleagues to get to certain parts of the Excel instantly. It runs well, and gets so much information out in a unique way, Speinkled with functions that run well . And it runs quite fast for something that can do so much
I'd say it's the task you do on it you dislike, not the program
- Nah, I dislike all the other people using Excel. I once saw it used for providing a deployment configuration, which then got parsed from that Excel and pushed into a repo. Like, goddamn, just let me edit the repo directly.

As a CPA I can attest Excel is really useful for financial data analysis and problem solving. It takes time to learn, and there are limitations to manage, but when you know what you’re doing it really gets out of your way so you can focus your attention on the work product instead of the tool.
On how I got efficient, when I started my career I tried to optimize any task I had to perform repetitively, and after 3 years everything was pretty fast. After that I tried to optimize one process every month, and now I have a pool of ideas to pull from when problem solving.
- As an engineer I can attest that it is also useful for quick calculations and illustrations, especially at the concept stage. We also ran process "simulations" in it for fun, but of course something like SciLab would be better suited for it. The possibility to simultaneously work in the same spreadsheet was also a godsend during lock-downs.

But there's libreoffice calc tho