Teacher pay needs to nearly double to afford a typical house
Teacher pay needs to nearly double to afford a typical house
Teacher wages aren’t rising enough to match the housing affordability crisis.
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Headlines like this are a good reminder of my prime directive: Don't donate money to political parties. Both Harris and Trump have billionaires in their corner and they don't need your money.
Instead, donate to your friends' mutual aid requests or invest it in your own stocks and investments. These candidates aren't going to do anything meaningful to change your station in life, but they will make a trillion dollars appear out of thin air overnight to avoid a major drop in the stock market and your $10-$20 could mean the difference between skipping a day of food and eating for someone you know and love.
they will make a trillion dollars appear out of thin air overnight
that's the federal reserve, which does what it wants and doesn't answer to anyone, including the president
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Average cop starting pay is significantly more than teachers. Which one requires the education? Which one contributes more to society?
My firefighter/emt job I'm at 54 hours a week starts at $41k a year. That's after getting all the certs and all the ongoing training and emt refresher classes etc. Most of us work two jobs.
Most of us work two jobs.
This is what I think about every time the soundbyte about Biden creating 16,000,000 jobs is played. How many of those are second or third jobs?
Probably most, because nothing meaningful has been done to curb inflation, price gouging on rent, and progress toward living wages.
Cops should be paid a lot, but the danger should be part of the job and risk. I'm thinking specifically of those Uvalde cowards who did nothing and let kids get killed. Their job should be the risk, to take the bullets, so as to save and help the innocent. That's the risk they should take, and get paid well specifically for that.
Many of our cops are overweight lazy traffic cops who give poor people speeding tickets who are late for their shitty job they can't afford to be late to. Or parking wrong, or whatever.
Teachers deserve a lot more too, way more for different reasons obviously. Unless they're forcing some religious nonsense poison into the minds of growing kids, fuck that.
Being a cop is mostly dangerous for those around the cop.
Exactly
Underpaying cops is what leads to Uvalde. Have high standards, throw the fuckin book at cops who abuse their power, and pay the rest of them properly. Cops, teachers, construction, bus drivers, all the people who make things operate should get paid a fuckin living wage, and the jobs that are skilled in addition (I.e. most of those) should be able to demand a higher wage and limit the people who’re allowed to do it to the people who can do it properly.
Unpopular opinion, teachers should make top dollar. A teaching position should easily be in the six figures. It should attract and demand the best people in their fields.
AS long as they're held accountable for actually teaching at that payrate, I'm all for it. I had too many teachers that did the bare minimum to make sure we could pass the standardized test and that was it. I hated science in high school because of it and can't get enough of it now that I can learn it from people that give a shit.
Working in a school district currently, that is pushing AI in a massive way. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
There is a major push here for teachers to use it as much as possible. While I get it to a certain degree... I'm also not sure how I feel about it. Just seems like a more convent way for teachers to do less, and be less "involved".
I agree with you, but The teacher pay depends on the state you live and your experience. I know this will blow your mind, but blue state tend to pay their teachers better than red states. Shocking, right?
The average teacher pay in California is 95k. If you live in a small town in California, you’re probably fairly well off. But if you live in la, you’re probably broke.
he teacher salary in Florida is about 53k. Nobody is doing great on 53 k.
In America, we have collectively decided that we prefer our teachers to be poor and starving, that way our kids stay stupid and can be good little wage slaves.
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Stop corporations from buying homes and prices will normalize.
punish them for trying. we live in a culture of violence, anything less than staggering exemplary violence is inadequate.
people have already died over this, I just want some of them to be guilty.
They already are guilty its just the courts they have rigged to let them get away with things
The majority of landlords are actually mom and pop owners though.
The majority of search engines is not Google.
It's a slim majority, and a $300billion/year industry. It would certainly have a normalizing effect.
Those mom and pop owners need to stop hoarding housing so that millennials and zoomers can finally get out of their apartments and rentals
This is not true, and I don't care if they're caught in collateral damage.
Everyone's pay.
We would have to first value education, and that counts for parents and home life as well.
Instead, we're at war with education trying to water it down as much as possible if not outright eliminate it.
We do value education. Look at how much people are willing to pay for private school when they can afford it.
We just don't value education of other people's children. That wouldn't be a good competitive advantage for our own spawn.
Or so many people think. I personally love the idea of education for everyone as it means fewer people resorting to crime with no other option. But an educated populace is a threat to many powerful institutions, so they convince their sheep to vote against it.
...in the USA.
A key piece of information missing from the title, which made it a waste of my time.
I don't live in that country, and while I feel very much for the plight of any foreign education system in distress, I must focus my energy on things upon which I can affect positive change.
I mean... It's probably also true in Europe
Teachers are fairly decently paid where I live but the job is shit so nobody wants it. They don’t employ enough teachers so everyone is being worked to death, and they keep adding new admin tasks, reporting tools, standardised tests, etc that makes everything worse. Also they keep doing stupid reorganisations all the time.
*in the greatest parts of europe, aka the balkans (how is the slovenian school system still decent?)
I'm amazed it's not triple.
Triple would just mean they would have a chance with proper savings and enjoying the perks of having disposable income while continuing to educate and create the future members of a society, that's asking too much.
Let me pop in as a high school teacher in the US. I make decent pay, but it took me over a decade climbing the pay ladder to reach this point. It's only been in the last five years that I've made enough to afford the mortgage on a house (well, prior to all of the rate hikes, but that's another issue entirely). But there's another problem: You're expected to put in 10% of the value (even with first-time buyer incentives) as a down payment (I last looked with any seriousness in '22). I have yet to be able to put away 5% of the average costs in my region, much less 10%. Every time I start building back up, other costs drain most or all of that within a year or two. Unless the housing market bursts big time, I'm not likely to be able to afford a home anytime soon. Note: I would rather keep renting than take a variable-rate mortgage; the last three years have seen previously affordable mortgages with variable rates go sky-high.
FYI, it's a long shot because there's not much availability, but HUD homestore will give teachers half off the list price of a house in its "good neighbor program" (aka in a rougher neighborhood ) if you stay there for 3 years.
In addition, I think you need lower down payments for houses in general through HUD.
I make decent pay, but it took me over a decade climbing the pay ladder to reach this point
What do you consider decent pay?
My last job had two former teachers. Good people. They switched from teaching to like entry level software testing (not "full stack". QA engineer) and like doubled their pay.
This was in the NYC area.
The wild thing is that it gets even worse at the college level. Adjuncts get like $25k per year. It's not much better for temporary faculty, etc. It's a steep pyramid with admins and football coaches far away at the top.
My side gig is teaching at a major university as part of a third-party contract with outside businesses. I'm still university faculty, so have to do all the HR training, maintain my credentials, etc, but my pay is a little different...
The university literally doesn't pay us for the classes. The syltudents have to pay a $215 "lab fee" directly to us that's split between me and the business. So I get paid $107.50 person student per semester while the University gets paid about $3,000. Our business provides the staff, facilities, course materials, and even the liability insurance, so the university's only real expenses are having the course listed and taking the tuition money.
My official title at the University is "Lecturer : Unpaid"
I taught research methodology in oncology for 15.81$ in Arizona; work as a cowboy for 20/hour. It’s really bad here in AZ.
Hey Americans.
Shouldn't exactly teacher be capable of sustaining the American lifestyle? Since they are prompting (read advertising /s) the values to the pupils, your children on an level matching doctrine?
Just for a reference. Full-time teachers with an academic degree earn the same amout of an IT-ler in Germany. Though our education system is one of the worst in Europe. So you should elect another idol from europe tbqh.
I know that Lemmy will blindly support this claim. My point is why did I never heard such obvious claim in the Internet yet? If you are about to reply: Go influence your politics please. We are directly influenced by your decisions.
Anyhow, I am not capable of replying to replies and assume others chime in.
Much love, A European Citizien.
sustaining the American lifestyle
TBH the "american lifestyle" is completely unsustainable and literally destroying the planet. We would be utterly doomed if the entire planet lived like the usa.
But I'm definitely not blaming teachers or any other working people very much. It's quite clear who's actually profiting (cars/oil, military, billionaires, etc.).
Public school teachers need to be paid properly. We need to move huge chunks of funding from the National Defense to Public Schools. Not private schools, for profit schools or 'school vouchers' but public secular schools. We don't need that much military to defend a nation of uneducated idiots, we need smart Americans.
We need people smart enough to abandon nationalism.
No problem! Every kindergartner knows, the teacher lives at school!
I am somewhat shocked that teachers could start affording houses if you doubled their pay. Maybe like a house in a shitty neighborhood in conjunction with a partner… maybe. I don’t really know but if I had to guess I would say it’s like $40k income for teachers and $150k family income to afford a house.
This varies heavily state to state and even district to district, but generally after you've been teaching for a while, you'll be making ok money. The issue is how low starting pay is and how long it takes to get to that point, often 10+ years. 10+ years where you're scraping to get by and don't really have the ability to set any money aside.
Yeah makes sense. Good thing that this critical role for our society is done by people who basically have to live in their cars for a few years. No way that could go wrong.
Teachers should get a 75% discount on all housing costs.
US Teachers should have optional free on-campus housing. Single dorms & free high quality cafeteria food.
The general problem with housing as a job benefit is that it makes you even more dependent on that particular job. It's the same problem as with employer-provided health care.
Housing affordability is totally out of wack. You can't base pay on that.
Why not? It's a thing that factors into cost of living.
What's the alternative? Just wait until economists have declared the housing market is at some baseline of normalcy before determining pay? Do you really fail to see how rediculous that would be?
housing is a core part of being a functional human. get your head out of your ass
It's not totally out of wack for those profiting. In fact almost unaffordable housing is the goal of those who control housing. The idea is to find out what people absolutely can't afford to pay for their basic human needs, then lower the price by a few bucks.
Every teacher I know makes almost twice what I do and gets the whole summer off. Stop with this bullshit coverage. The rest of us need a raise before teachers do. Why the fuck are they the hill we die on? There's more of us suffering than them....
Weird every teacher I know makes dog shit money and the school district still expects them to cover classroom supply shortages out of their own pocket.
Also rising waters lifts all boats. Arguing that some other group shouldn't see life improvements just means someone worse than you is making the same dumb argument against you while the wealthy are happy to pit you against each other and keep your money.
Who is "us"?
Your comment and post history sports why teacher pay needs to increase, which is to enable better educational and job and opportunities to young people in the United States.
This is such a trash tier comment and I'm not surprised you just made it and failed to respond to anyone calling you out. Gonna take a wild guess and say you've got some deep seated hatred for women and it comes out in weirdo ways like this.
Well, it depends on the country and it's politics.