Just tryna be human out here sucks

Ah, I see you said something controversial, like "Theocracy bad" or "Imperialist capitalist state bad". The tankies don't like those positions for some reason.
- Bruh I poked the hexbear once when a dude was arguing over exactly how to classify the Uyiger genocide. Something about how "it's not a genocide, but just an ethnic cleansing" they really didn't like when I pointed out just how weird of an argument that is. Fascists usually short circuit pretty fast under redicule
  
  it's not a genocide, but just an ethnic cleansing
  Those are synonyms, FFS. 🤦‍♂️
  Dude needs to crack open a dictionary or a thesaurus.
  
  I had one argue "the Soviet space program did amazing things without the benefits of imperialism", which is a statement I can only ridicule. Then, to prove how not imperialist the Soviet Union was, he proceeded to explain how much imperialism the United States did. Yes, I'm quite aware of how much imperialism the United States did. That's not the issue here.
  
  oh you spoke to the developers too? haha
  
  If you simply choose to embrace the same euphemism for genocide as them and also pretend that having a euphemism excuses the genocide, then you could get along.
- All I did was point out how their meme responses were childish and cringy.
  Banned.

My experience on lemmy is vastly improved after blocking lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, hexbear, beehaw, and pawb. Wiped out vast swathes of degenerates from my feed.
Sure, occasionally poking them with a stick can be funny, but if you don't like your scrolling punctuated with muttering "oh fuck off" under your breath every few minutes -- it's nice.
- Beehaw? I’ve had nothing but good interactions with them, personally.
  
  I can't remember why I blocked them exactly, to be honest, but I remember thinking they were almost as annoying as hexbear users, and I can't be bothered to go have a second look now to see exactly why. Clearly, I was annoyed with them enough to block them, as the ones I listed above are the only instances I have blocked save for lemmynsfw (which is just because I don't care for porn in my feed).
  
  They're alright now, but they used to be pretty bad. No negativity allowed whatsoever.
  I remember there was some sort of thread asking disabled people if they like being disabled...
  and the people who said no were banned for being negative lol
- Beehaw? The most adorable place in the lemmy space IMO!
  If you don't like them fine, but please reconsider lumpung them together with the crazy fascist ones please 😊
- ??? (Mostly) Nothing wrong with Beehaw or pawb.social, most are good people around those parts
  
  now I might not remember why I blocked beehaw but I know damn well the animal fetishists are not "good people", thank you
  and just from your instance name... yeah that's another one for the list
- I did say something controversial (apparently) on grad and simply asked what I said wrong and having an open mind showed that they can interact normally.. But Hexbear is just straight up poisoning me lol
- I recently added midwest.social to my list.
- I guess I understand, but I dig through all the shit to bring my starving people fresh maymay each day anyway.
  Its not much, but I do it for those ungrateful bastards just the same.
- You blocked lemmy.ml? Why
  
  Beehaw and pawb are peculiar blocks but .ml can be a bit trying. Many users have been swept into, what they believe to be, militant communist zeitgeist. Their opinions exist within an echo-chamber surreptitiously safeguarded by their extremely banhappy admins. Mind that it would be acceptable if they were to openly offer their rule list, including “do not criticize communism, communists, communist countries, China, Russia, or the war in Ukraine” but they refuse to do so given how unpopular and weird that would be if it were visible to their users. If you care to verify, post a picture of tank man or suggest that Russia should leave Ukraine in one of their communities and enjoy your two week vacation from .ml.
  Users range from confused and corralled to militant and chronically angry and many don’t understand why. Frankly, most .ml users are fine but their communities are breeding grounds for frustration, delusions, and misinformation. The prime example of admin sanctioned crazy goes by the name of yogthos if you, once again, wish to verify.
- Wow, your reasoning is uh... well it sure is interesting... can't say I see where you're coming from.
  
  What's your beef with seahorse?

I've never been able to figure out the basic ideas behind their opinions. It's something like US conservatives, where it's something stupider than you can even guess at, but less predictable.
- Understand that some or most of the key posters there are literally pawns of Russian or Chinese intelligence. Troll farms, wumao, what have you. Whether they are literally government employees or contracted through a third party, their purpose is to astroturf positive optics of their employer and negative optics of the US/the West as a whole. A more sinister interpretation, they are trying to destabilize the West by doing things like trashing Biden, now Harris, hoping to secure a chaotic and inwardly destructive Trump presidency.
  Anything they say is to service these goals, anything they believe is mutable to these goals, and nothing they argue is in good faith.
  
  But doesnt china block hexbear?
  
  I don't buy that at all. Lemmy is far too small for foreign agents to be posting propaganda. Why would they try to convince people who don't need convincing?
  Tankies already suckle foreign propaganda, ain't no need to directly influence them.
- I've seen some downright insane takes on how what the Chinese are doing to the Uighurs is not as bad as it seems.
  
  It sure is odd how hexbear loves the absolute fuck out of Russia and China.
  
  yeah by the lemmy devs
- Yu're pretty much outlining the problem. Yes, the people on hexbear and 'omg I'm so leftist' on the rest of lemmy strongly support Russia and China, who are not "America’s designated enemy countries" simply because Americans unilaterally claimed it or something, but are geopolitical and military rivals who straight up say they oppose the US. There's nothing politically special about either country that makes them worthy of leftist support other than hatred of America, yes. It's a pretty pathetic concept to base your political views on since it's not even remotely consistent. These bold intellectual luminaries should move to Russia if they think it's so great (that is, assuming they don't already live there). Most likely they live cushy lives in Western Europe while whining about how great the CCCP is.

I've been there, but I mostly just do it anyway. Fuck it, I said what I said. Half the time you don't even get anything all that cutting, it's just png salad. Every now and then, you'll get a coherent response that isn't a death threat, and those end up being good reads more often than not.
- Eh, more often than not their longer posts are just "actually Stalin/Putin/Mao/Kim dynasty/Trump good because <5 page essay>"
  Edit: also the classic "comparing Stalin to Hitler is a form of Holocaust denial" and in the same breath calling everyone not in their vatnik bubble a nazi or fascist lmao
  
  And of course, if you don't address every single point in that 5 page essay, along with doing all of their required reading, then you're clearly acting in bad faith and a shitlib and are now going to be dogpiled by 27 other Hexbear users.
- Yeah I don't think much of it either.. They just take offense to something doesn't even apply to them lol

I got banned from hexbear and lemmygrad like a year ago without ever even posting in either community, just for arguing with some of their users under a post on lemmy.ml
- The only surprise there is that you weren't banned from lemmy.ml also.
  
  Oh I have been banned from lemmy.ml like 6 times but only temporarily. Lemmygrad and hexbear just went for a permaban for just arguing with their users on a separate instance.
- That's because lemmy.ml is tankie

Very happy to be on an instance that blocks them entirely. The couple of weeks we were federated was a couple of weeks too long honestly.
- Actually they blocked us first lmao.
  It was great. They made a whole event about how they will dunk all of Lemmy and fill every thread with their spam... Just to realise they're not in a safespace anymore and they defederated themselves in less than 24 hours.
- I forgot to block the instructions, left an unpopular opinion on a post. I wish I blocked it like I thought I didn't.
  Everyone just goes straight to being an asshole there, no middle ground.

- There's a certain special irony in folks on the internet telling one another "Shut up! You're not allowed to criticize free speech!" in a thread defending free speech. It only gets worse when you have people throwing shit fits over being federated, because it means you might get banned from another sub.
  This all seems to boil down to "I don't like other communities that hurt my feelings". A thousand little Elon Musks, all screaming and crying because they can't shut everyone else up and turn the local instance into a room full of yes-men.

.ml is the same way. People were getting deleted left and right for posting about Maduro fixing the election in Venezuela. Not realizing it's freaking .ml. Even when told, "the mods are just enforcing the instance rules" they didn't get it.
- There’s a few mods that bans people just for being liberal there. What fucking clowns man. Then their little minions come to .world and whine about how they’re treated unfairly when they troll.
  
  100%

I’ve got them and all the other after school instances blocked.
- so .ml and .world?
  
  No, .ml, Hexdouche, and Lemmynad. A few others, but they’re irrelevant enough to not warrant being mentioned by name.
  
  Wait what's wrong with world? .ml and .hexbear are insufferable but in my experience world has been fine?
- Awww you are so adorable.. I think I'm getting a hard on
  
  hey dude be nice

Pretty sure I'm shadowbanned because I'm over there railing on those CCP husks all the time and they almost never respond.
- Most likely

So before I knew shit about the fediverse I was trying to find and instance and I thought "oh neat I'm a leftist," and created an account on hexbear. I was not prepared at all for that. I didn't know what a tankie was and I was just legit confused for a minute.

Can relate, the people from that instance are bonafide shitrilers, born a century too late to join Hitler's youth so they join hexbear instead.

You just comment something like "humans good" and the pro-russia tankies start arguing with the anti-russia tankies under your comment...
- It's hilarious honestly

I'm new here, I don't even know what the fediverse is. What does this mean?
- As Goat has said, this platform (Lemmy) is comprised of instances, some, like Lemmy.world, are general instances, and some have a specific theme or type of content they cater to. There's one for furry porn, one for regular porn, for example, and one for utterly insufferable Internet communists who make a point of behaving badly in other communities.
- The fediverse is an interconnected community composed of instances. Every website is its own instance that can communicate with other instances
  So right now I'm on sh.itjust.works, and you're on lemmy.world.
  
  The Fediverse is much more than just that. You just described the Lemmy (and kbin?) part of it. The Xitter alternative Mastodon for example is another part of the Fediverse among many others.
- YOU WILL SPEAK WHEN SPOKEN TO MOTHERFUCKER
  
  So you're good now
- Welcome my guy
- the thing about hexbear isn't just that they're far left, but that they are violently auth-left, and live in a huge echo-chamber, as most instances defederated from them. plenty of far left people are actually very grounded and human compared to them, see slrpnk.net and the an-soc instances. while they have strong opinions, they won't immediately wish death upon you if your views clash
  
  are there any instances on here that aren’t left?

And that's how I wound up banned from hexbear.
- They did you a favor.
- I'm self banning myself. I've started blocking any of their crap that comes up in my feed. Good riddance.
  
  Why not block the whole instance?

Communists are somewhat like collapsniks. I don’t want to bully or torment them, life kicked their butt already. But tankies, damn they deserve some bullying from time to time for all the stupid shit they say.
- I'm fine and usually agree with people who are economically left. I find I usually disagree with people who love state capitalism so much they will excuse whatever human rights abuses occur under it.
  
  Looking at the online places some people lost their faith in liberal democracy. At least in the USA looking at the voting and political system there it really isn’t the most… healthy. So I very much understand the desperation.
  In other places it is going strong and no one sane would want to drop it. It merely needs some tweaks and fixes that are a subject of constant battles in the parliament.
  This is the problem of us centric internet. Whatever I say it is always taken in the context of America. I got to know so much about that single country out of 195 whether I wanted it or not

I'm somewhat convinced that all the Tankie servers have some unspoken agreement to ban the same dissenters.
- I doubt it's even unspoken.

We should just defederate all the ml domains, it would greatly improve the Lemmy experience.
- Defederate them for having a different political worldview? Defederation is supposed to be for extreme circumstances. There's not a problem that .ml communities cause of people breaking the rules here. I'm not saying there aren't toxic people from lemmy.ml or lemmygrad.ml, there definitely are, but there's nothing to justify defederation.
  If instances just start defederating other instances for hosting a lot of communists then the platform's gonna fall apart lol.
  You can block instances if you don't like them. You don't have to decide what the best experience for all us other lemm.ee users is.
  
  It's not about an ideology. It's that they make it their identity. If someone founded a server and community for lemmy.fascists I wouldn't blame a lot of people for not wanting to Federate with it as well.
  While they like to talk to talk. They'll do anything but walk the walk. Ml governments have been some of the most brutal and repressive in existence. And this is not a defense of anyone else. just a critique of them. There's plenty of criticism to go around. However Leninist are particularly hypocritical, bad faith, and specifically not worth engaging with when it bleeds over into every other discussion.
  
  Oh wow thats so fucking wrong, lemmy.ml is run by the same admins as lemmygrad, that goes for most mods as well, they are basically red faschism, thats not a different opinion, thats straight up illigal shit in many places and defederation is a great option to filter out illigal stuff. Both .ml instances have regular posts that violate EU laws, especially regarding genocide denial and screaming genocide about things that very obviously are not.
  
  Now make this argument in their spaces - see how that goes for you.

Never post you bear ass in IncantationUrsine, always make sure you are in MagicBear community where friendly sugar bears updoot and compliment you.

Go on Hexbear
Post a non-hexbear thing
Get a comment in my inbox
Be incredibly mad
Post another thing on hexbear
:-/

Thankfully, lemmy world spared me the trouble of having to block the instance myself.
- You should do it anyway.

- some people have multiple accounts.
- Oh weird! I can see and interact with the instance fine now.. I wasn't able for a couple days weirdly

One time, I brought right-wing idealogies to a left-wing instance.
I leanrelned my lesson. Always check the instance or community you're posting in.

Kinda feels like this is an ad for Hexbear

The irony is, yeah, the tankies on hexbear and ml are bad. But the rest of lemmy is bad as well. Everyone is completely indoctrinated these days. It's just complete polarization and extremism. Everyone just reads their corner of the news and needs to believe one side or another.
- Not everyone. I'm really actually clueless. The state of the country I live in is so bad that I have just given up.
  
  Do like me, don't watch your country's news and laugh at the US instead. Yeah I'm coping however I can
- Keep in mind, the more extreme someone's views, and the more strongly they hold them, the more likely they are to share them and argue the case.
  You just don't hear from people with moderate views all that much, I think.
- You can keep the enlightened centrism.
  
  The only progress in humanity history stems from centrism. Wanting division does you no favour.
  
  And welcome to another game of fascist, limbrol, centroid, tankie!

ah yes the leftist communist instance
- The authoritarian communist instance.
  
  yep