Help fitting a square door into a trapezoid doorway
Help fitting a square door into a trapezoid doorway
I moved my business into a new building, and there is a doorway i want to put up a door in it. However the doorway is about 1/4" narrower at the bottom, than the top. Neither of the top corners are square. I am looking for the easiest way with the least amount of work and knowledge needed to hang this door. It is only a barrier, it is not for security. It will be closed most of the time, so i am not worried if it is going to naturally swing open or closed.
Also, the cuts for the hinges on the door and the frame do not line up. I am fine with buying a new door, but I would rather not replace the frame of i can avoid it.
Any suggestions?
Are you aware that the door is upside-down?
The knob should be below the center point, not above it.
That aside, the best way to deal with your stated problem is to fix the frame. You don't need to completely redo it. Just figure out which side of the frame isn't straight up and down, get a thinner replacement piece for that side, and put some spacers under the top end. Then fill in the gap with some wood filler and paint it to match.
Alternatively use a planer or something similar to shave off some depth at the tighter end. I've used an oscillating multitool for something very similar. Getting it flat will be tricky but it's doable.
Flip the door right-side up first though.
Isn't just taking a plane to the door a solution too?
If the door is hollow, you may reveal the cavity inside, which I suppose could be filled in with wood filler. But I don't think the result would be attractive.disregard, below commenter is correct, and was replying to this paragraph ^Another aspect of this solution is that the door isn't easily replaceable if it has to be planed like this. It's no longer a rectangle. A replacement door would have to be modified too.
The door is upside down because of the hinges. If I turn it left-side up the hinges face into the frame. When I redo the notches for the hinges I planned to flip the door, but since half are still on the door itself it will not go into the frame as is.
There's a few ways you can tackle this with various degrees of rightness.
First of all, your door looks to be hung upside down. That's not going to affect the fit of the door but it is going to put your doorknob at an awkward height.
Your best bet is probably going to be to go get a new, pre-hung door, and replace the entire thing, frame and all. It's really not that hard, just kind of fiddly getting everything squared up properly. You can probably get it done for less than $200, and a few hours of work with a friend or two.
Second best bet is going to be to square up the existing frame, get yourself some shims a prybar, and some nails, pull off all the trim, and set it right.
In my experience, trying to get a new door to fit right in an existing frame is always kind of a pain in the ass. It sounds like more work, but it's usually worth it to go the pre-hung route.
There's lots of guides and YouTube videos on how to do all of that.
Least right- start modifying the door and/or frame so they fit. Cut, plane, chisel, and/or sand the door and frame down until they fit. Yes, the door is probably hollow, but you should still have probably about an inch or so of solid framing around the perimeter of it to work with. There's a good chance if you go this route you're going to find it looks kind of wonky and you're going to wish you did one of the above options.
You could always of course pay someone to do it the right way. Shouldn't be terribly expensive, I'm a cheapskate and will DIY most things, but I have a personal dislike of installing doors, so it's something I'd be willing to pay for.
Depending on how you can rearrange furniture, how much wall space you have next to the door, etc. you could also go with barn doors and just bypass the crooked frame entirely. I hat barn doors, I think they just look bad in pretty much all cases, but they're popular for some reason and pretty straightforward to install.
Depending on your tastes and how much of an actual barrier you need, may also be able to get away with bifold doors, a curtain, cafe/batwing/saloon doors.
I am worried about replacing the frame because I have seen the quality of work the previous tenants did and I have a feeling under that frame is worse than what I am seeing.
If the door frame is not currently falling out of the opening there's enough meat in the opening to mount a new one. Fondots is right. Re mortising well for the hinges and modifying the door to fit will be more effort than getting a pre-hung.
What you want to do is shim the door so it’s square. Even if it doesn’t look “square” to the frame itself.
Once you do that you’ll use trimto cover the frame and so it won’t be obvious.
You can see the basics here
Took me a bit but I was able to do this a few years back even though my frame wasn’t just not square but also “twisted” because the exterior wall itself was bowed. That was fun.
Easy solution? Grind down the door to fit. Long term, slightly more involved solution? Fix the doorway.
Good luck! (I mean that genuinely). If you don’t want to replace the frame, you’ll want to pop off any trim/moulding to get at the gap between the frame of the door and the studs framing the doorway.
There are likely shims in there, and you should be able to (hopefully) remove and/or add shims as necessary to square the frame to the door you’re trying to hang.
The problem of the hinges is not so easy. You’ll either have to cut new hinge recesses on the door or frame to get them to line up. Easier would be to buy a new door that has hinges that line up with the hinges in this frame, but that may not be easy to find/do. As far as I know, you can’t buy a new door without a frame. I am no expert, so I may be very wrong about this.
If you can’t find a door that has hinge cuts that line up with the frame, the easiest path will likely be buying a new door and frame and installing that.
Have you tried using Flicker? Might come back all fixed. If that doesn't work you could use Disenchant and just get a new door all together.
I was thinking of trying an o-ring on the door way and starting over. Maybe a Swords to Plowshares, since it is a wall I likely do not have to worry about the life gain.
That door is essentially a piece of hollow plywood. Why not buy an actual piece of plywood and cut it to the size of the door frame? Modifying the frame or a hollow door is going to take far longer.
I feel your pain though, my workshop isn't square. I came to understand this when I replaced the roof panels which are cut perfectly square. 200mm gap at one end of the roof 😂
A sheet of plywood instead of a door? Being as this is the middle of my shop, I will pass on that.