Pan the camera left, there have to be more classes in here.
While I like ranger type characters, the ranger class is the one that could never justify its own existence or explain it's niche. It's always been done better by a multiclass fighter/rogue.
I'm just discovering that now. Did levels 3-10 as a hunter ranger. I definitely made some sub optimal character sheet decisions.
Way more recently I played a level 8 fighter/rogue. Now, Ranger definitely has some cool spells, but in combat? The Rogue/Fighter multiclass is way better.
Ranger is perfectly fine mechanically in 5e, it just feels bad to play. It's the opposite of the Monk, that feels fun but performs poorly. The power of the Ranger mostly comes from the chasis being a really strong concept though, a ranged attacker with some spellcasting is just, a really good starting point. Decent utility spell options, OK damage options, fine ranged martial, it gels well. It isn't as good as a Fighter at damage, or a Druid at magic, but it can do enough of both. There's so much power budget used up there, the rest of the features got kind of gutted to make it work.
To be clear, in a cooperative experience like this, I would say the way it feels to play is much more important than the mechanical power. Monk and Ranger are both designed poorly, but the Ranger is probably the worst design. But many people take that to mean the weakest, and that's not true at all. Ranger often outdamages Rogues, it's solidly middlish, of the pack, maybe a little bit on the lower side, compared to the rest of the classes.
Fighter with a bow: yup
It really is a bizarre niche, some awkward middle ground between multiple classes. Not as fightery as a fighter, not as druidy as a druid, not as rogue-y as a rogue, but somehow trying to balance all three.
At least when Paladin tries to wiggle into a similar gap, it brings some unique and useful kit to the table, but ranger is really lacking in that regard.
Starting a pathfinder 2e campaign in a few weeks. It really is astonishing how good Ranger is in this system, and how effortless it seems to be compared to DnD 5e.
Pf2e rangers have no magic at all. They're a martial class vaguely on par with a fighter, with excellent survival skills. They have a unique ability to pick a target they can see or are tracking as their prey, and they get huge bonuses against their prey.
That's it. It's an excellent class, doesn't need these 50 different attempts and houserules to fix it.
A wilderness fighter who doesn't use magic?
Ludicrous.
Next thing you know they'll be smoking pipes and escorting Halflings to volcanoes.
They can have focus spells, my player enjoys gravity weapon a lot. But agreed the different subclasses all play very well and let you feel like you're a valuable asset to the team.
Ah, someone didn't take dual wield focus, I see.
Ehh I mean if you don’t use any of the optional core feature replacements from Tasha’s, or just the pbh subclasses, then sure.
But for example, the gloom stalker ranger is absolutely disgusting if you go in dungeons or fight at night (which are probably most combats), and the revised beast master or drakewarden have probably the best single permanent summons in the game. And pairing them with any race with pick tactics gives essentially permanent advantage of fighting in melee.
So at this point, not a huge discrepancy.
