if so what do I do?
Dig out the fucking birth certificate they gave you by default for free because surely you didn’t do something as stupid as throw it out in a selfish attempt to consign your children to this insane lifestyle choice.
You’re assuming this child was born in a hospital. A lot of these nutty types will do a home birth either by themselves or with a midwife sympathetic to their ideals. In either case, the kid is born without any official documentation, which majorly screws them over later in life, especially if they later decide to join the civilized world.
That’s a very good point especially if they become sovcits prior to having kids. And it’s not like they’re bringing these kids to pediatricians or getting them their vaccines or putting them in school.
There was actually a Radiolab episode about this scenario. A kid grew up with insane parents and later joined the real world and was in a fucked up legal limbo status due to there being no record of their birth. They couldn't prove they were even a natural citizen of the US. It's been several years since I listened to that episode, but iirc their state senator/some politician ended up campaigning on their behalf to get laws made to cover these fringe cases so in the future, kids like these aren't completely screwed. Not sure if the law ended up getting passed or not. Anyway, it was the first time I'd heard of people doing this kind of crap to their kids and it blew my mind. Utterly selfish and abusive.
Edit: found the episode: https://radiolab.org/podcast/invisible-girl
I'm sure it depends on the jurisdiction, but when my daughter was born we filled out the paperwork in the hospital but had to go to the county health department office to get a birth certificate when it was actually issued. I think we may have had to pay a small amount for it too.
Huh yeah I guess I take that for granted
I just literally looked at my birth certificate, and it took them an entire month after my birth to issue it. Took them even longer to issue me a SS number.
Try looking at yours. You just might find that the paperwork wasn't printed out the same day you popped out either.
Edit: Partially edited to try to be more polite, but also..
The government had me so screwed up right after I was born, that not only did it take them a month to issue me a birth certificate, but they actually ended up screwing that up, and I actually have two birth certificates and two SS cards, and even two SS numbers no less (though the first one there is false).
Obviously I'm not about to share my private info, I'm just here to say that the government fucks up sometimes.
Not sure I understand the problem. When my daughter was born it also took about a month (at least a few weeks) to get it, and since that was normal the hospital provided a temporary one exactly for that reason. SSN also came in mail around that time frame.
The insurance allowed to register without SSN and provide the SSN later as it was normal to not have it just when the child was just born.
I think there was an option to not get SSN when filling the document for birth certificate, but when searching why I wouldn't want that I realized it was a bad idea.
It so often seems to be about either fucking over their kid directly or fucking over their kid by refusing to pay child support.
I would love to see data sets of men who became sovereign citizens and men who refused to pay child support, especially any information on whether they became sovcits prior or after. I’m sure the Venn diagram is nearly a circle
I wouldn't be shocked considering how many "how do I get out of child support" SovCit posts I've seen.
In what would is this required? I didn't have to produce a single document to add my kids to benefits. Hell, I could have added the neighbor's kids.
When I was enrolling my child on my benefits for a state job (in the USA), they needed me to provide a birth certificate.
In my private sector job, I only gave a name and relationship with no paperwork.
Different states have different rules. It could have been through the work too which can do whatever it wants.
It's entirely possible that if they looked up the kids information and found no record of their birth, because background checks and whatnot, trying to confirm that the kid even exists in the first place and it's not a scam of some kind, then they would have to manually request proof of existence/citizenship.
Every time I've added my kids to my benefits, I've had to provide a social security number. But realistically, that's the only documentation I had to provide other than their name and sex.
I'm wrong, I have had to provide an SSN, but still never a birth certificate.
