Disappointing moderation on other instances
Disappointing moderation on other instances
I don't really know which community to post this in, I think this is the most relevant one?
I've recently spent a bit more time on lemmy.world and I have to say they don't seem super keen on removing trolls and transphobes, same for instances like lemmings.world.
The moderators seem to be perfectly aware of transphobic replies, vague threats, misinformation, and obvious trolling, yet they hardly remove any of the offending replies, and rarely if ever ban anyone. Certainly not often enough to make the network less toxic.
This post was mostly to vent, but I would also like to ask: when you report someone, who receives the report? Mods on my instance? The mods of the specific community I'm reporting from?
Sorry if this is the wrong place.
when you report someone, who receives the report? Mods on my instance? The mods of the specific community I'm reporting from?
When a report is made, it goes to three instances.
- The instance of the person making the report
- The instance of the account being reported
- The instance of the community in which the content was posted
Each instance only gets a single copy of the report and that report can be actioned by the admin of the instance the report is on, or moderators of the community. Only a single report is generated for each instance even if it meets multiple criteria, and it is one report per instance, not one report per admin/moderator. Marking a report as complete on one instance does not mark it as complete on another instance.
If a report leads to content removal, that removal will only federate if the reported content is removed by a moderator of the community, or by an admin of the instance that hosts the community or the user. If removed by any other admin, the removal doesn't federate to other instances, and is purely removed for local users.
When a report is made, it goes to four instances.
1…2…3
But they were all deceived, for another report was made?
1...2...5!
I noticed months ago that transphobic comments were being tolerated in communities on lemmy.world, which was one of several things that disillusioned me of the instance. Unfortunately I didn't take screenshots, so I can't recall exactly which communities I saw such comments, and I'd really hate to speculate. The comments I saw left up were the usual TERFy hot takes about women's sports.
Reports go directly to the community moderators, and you can find that list in the sidebar aka under "community info."
Reports may also go directly to admins, but I'm not sure. If you have an instance level concern, it's probably best to contact an admin.
Reports do go to admins, at least on this instance. There's a bot that shows lemmy reports on a matrix channel. Not sure if there's a generic Lemmy interface that sends reports to admins, though.
Thank you for confirming this. I don't use matrix so I didn't know.
most of the users i have blocked are from there, and it's not a very long list either
Any community demanding "be civil" can fuck right off, because they're almost guaranteed to protect trolls and bastards from any meaningful condemnation.
World is pretty hit or miss like that, unfortunately.
But it comes down to individual mods. There's some C/s that have mods listed that aren't active, and haven't gotten weeded out yet. And you have some real assholes there as mods and users, which is to be expected from the larger instances (the one I'm in as well, shithustworks has some major jerks here and there)
Iirc, both mods and admins have access to reports, but most instances of any size, the admins really don't have the time to handle them.
We try to do our best, but we can only catch so much on a given day. Please use the report button if you find anything hateful. The site admins have little patience for biggorty ❤️
Y'all do a great job considering how lemmy kinda blew up over the last year. While I've seen the bad stuff, it doesn't stay up long that I've noticed. And that's all anyone can ask
Blocking them directly is the way to go.
I just don't like the idea that the moderators tolerate this sort of behavior.
Fair. I don’t moderate anything but I can see how someone would set up a community and for various reasons be hands-off. I think a shared block list will become a Lemmy thing, it’s a kind of moderation in a sense. (Just IMO, obvs, maybe it won’t).
only places that care about banning transphobes are here, hexbear, and lemmygrad really. i mod c/traa on hexbear and how we deal with this is by having 26 fairly active trans mods. we spread the workload out on banning people, we usually have a response to ban within 5-30 minutes, sometimes its instantaneous. we care a lot about making sure as few people as possible see abusive material and to make sure even the mods have not many interactions by spreading the burden of dealing with transphobia out a ton.
i add pretty much anyone that is a trans socialist to the mod team if they ask. i dont like the idea of having a clique, it should be easy to join, i do semi regular asks if anyone wants to join
also, on top of our 26 mods, we have 15 admins that help with bans, a bit over half of whom are trans. which is about proportionate to the userbase
While I'm not personally a fan of hexbear or lemmygrad it sounds like you're doing a very good job with the moderation.
From my own point of view (which nobody else on this planet has to share) I like how these mods seem to roll… I’m very happy to encounter liars, flamers, trolls, the misinformed, provocateurs, satirists, deluded individuals, disingenuous actors, bots, cat fishes, psychopaths etc etc online because it keeps me sharp - I’d hate to have a drip fed supply of agreeable posts and interactions that never challenged nor jarred me.
On an instance with “world” in the title I’d be very disappointed if everybody was of similar views and opinions. Remember, we’re all strangers with our own motivations, world view, limits and red lines. These can be vastly different… but if we retreat to a safe space, echo chamber, whatever, we will never see how others see the world. We will never interact outside of our tiny social (media) circle. Imagine having exactly the same world view at 50 as you did at 15. Might as well join a religion/cult.
People spreading misinformation to erode my rights and cause violence against me is maybe slightly different from a difference in opinion. Additionally, I think the major instances (at least the general ones) should hold themselves to a higher standard than niche instances.
EDIT: Honestly thinking this is about safe spaces is very tone deaf.
If you delete the words “maybe” and “slightly” from your first sentence I will agree 100% with you. It is atrocious behaviour.
We both have different views about how instances should behave - and both have our reasons for why we think what we do. That’s cool.
My mention of “safe space” was in the context of a person who NEVER EVER (sorry for shouting) leaves said space; not in the context of said place being used as a refuge to relax, recharge, recalibrate, revitalise, be your(real)self etc.
P.S. If you steal/stole my user name how do we know that this isn’t you replying to you?
Do we still have the top level comment rule? Cause this one right here seems like a great reason to enforce it.
I’m not sure exactly what the “top level comment rule” is and saw nothing in the side bar that mentioned it. I just wandered in here from my instance… and have now wandered back out of here. Enjoy your day.
Reports are seen both on the instance and community in which you are reporting and by admins of your home instance. I also believe admins of blahaj lemmy have means of blocking users from other instances. If you see someone being transphobic on other instances it is worth it to report them. I don't know of many communities that are openly transphobic? Blahaj Lemmy doesn't federate with instances that tolerate transphobia. Not that it doesn't happen other places, but the admins of those instances are supposed to be dealing with it.