Spain introduces porn passport to stop kids from watching smut

Politicians keep trying to helicopter parent the entire populations of countries.

Making sure your kids don't go places online before they should, and have conversations with them about it once they reach an age where it happening is inevitable, is something every, single, parent, should do.

Not the fucking state.

And this has to be one the weirdest implementations of porn surveillance I've ever seen.

Wow good job Spain.

I guess this works because email doesn't exist.

I guess this works because file sharing applications and websites don't exist.

I guess this works because VPN's free and paid don't exist.

I guess this works because Tor, i2p, Freenet, and Yggdrasil don't exist.

I guess this works because torrenting doesn't exist.

I guess this works because black markets don't exist.

I guess this works because chat applications don't exist.

To be a fly on the wall of these government meetings where they talk about this shit would surely be the funniest fucking thing in the world.

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On the plus side Spains teenagers are about to become extremely computer literate.

So teens learn about Tor & VPNs. This stuff doesn't work. The higher you put the skills to get access, the more they will learn. Nothing motivates teens more than access to adult stuff. Maybe this is really a tech literacy policy.

This government intrusion is brought to you by Surfshark.

They made this to send people from legal sites to illegal sites.

"Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits."

Well that's a relief. For a minute there, I was worried.

This ensures traceability through the public key as content providers will consistently receive the same public key when the credential is presented

What a ridiculous system. For some reason I expected that their efforts to offer an illusion of privacy would be better than the obfuscatory bullshit they've leaned on here in order to enable "traceability."

I hope it goes down so badly in Spain that the rest of Europe is once and for all convinced that such schemes to restrict and monitor the web browsing habits of every citizen are ineffective for their stated purpose, needlessly invasive of privacy and freedom, destructive of democracy, and can serve only as a prelude to totalitarianism.

Hmm. Driving porn viewers who value their privacy underground couldn't possibly have any negative consequences I can think of.

Porn passport = Wanking license

Instead of educating kids, it's much easier to... not, and invade their privacy instead.

Hola señores, necesito más créditos de la pornografía porque sus madres tienen tetas grandes.

Yo what the fuck guys can you not

Government giving you porn credits sounds hilarious.

Kids can torrent my dude. Been doing it since I was like 13, and that's only because before that I was using limewire, then frostwire, then bearshare, then I found torrents because TPB took over. I've been pirating since I was like 9.

That is to say: This dumb ass bullshit isn't even going to work.

What the fuck is going on with these porn laws wtf

When you are out of porn credits before the end of the month, you can go to the good ol' simulator:

How many here want to bet that VPN companies lobbied the Spanish Government for this?

No one expects the Spanish Imposition.

It will be fun for one unashamed porn addicted user to keep making so many requests to this service that they break it.

"Javier, it's been 30 minutes since your last credit application."

"MORE CREDITS. CAN'T TALK."

At least it will raise tech literacy among youth. If it isn’t as easy and would require some thinking that’s already better than 99% of homework.

On behalf of teen me and adult me, fuck off

If your worst-case scenario for lax online identity is that kids might watch porn... I don't give a shit if kids watch porn.

This is a privacy issue but it's a much much much less of a privacy issue than what the EU wants to do with that mandatory internet ID thing. This Spanish concept shows that you don't need complete mass surveillance like other governments try to convince everyone in.

Surely this will work.

I don't think porn is a good thing, but the fact that even if you're an adult with a pass you are limited is pretty bizarre. this is on top of the fact that you are already giving up your privacy to view it.

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It's easier to just use a VPN and pretend to be from anywhere else...

What gets me about this is that, while it would still be bad, they could have mostly avoided the privacy nightmare here with some kind of Zero Knowledge Proof scheme, but the tracking is obviously part of the point.

Idiots. I'm certain that absolutely no one wants this. What a shit show.

Porn is everywhere. It's an endless battle.

The internet should simply be 18+ only at this point.

Wait, what are the credits for? You spend them to watch porn or what? So when you're out of credits you're locked out? Sorry but... wtf?

And then when it doesn't work because of the laws of nature, they can block filesharing sites on account of porning kids up without requiring porn credits.

How long before it gets "breached"

Wait....I want to be "Secretario de Pornabilidad Social" or "Secretary or Social Probability"

I imagine my self going through all the SSN... Sexual Super Numbers to manage access and report usage.

1335346755 watched 6 hours per day of mostly vanilla doggy.

2356544677 more doggie

More doggie.... doggie again. But every now and then.... 1257678965534 watched 72 consecutive hours of BDSM where the sub faces downward into a hole in the floor where a camera.....then the last does the same and the video cuts to another similar one. We must report this immediately to the right authority!

Iirc Spain is one of those countries that makes you install a cert to use some of their government services, which they can then use to MITM all your https connections

Workshop this with me, passporn or pornport? Porn pass?

Ok tinfoil hat time.

Perhaps this government anti-porn law stuff is backed by people who actually want to dismantle government altogether. And not in a fun Communist way but in a privatize everything, corporate serfdom way.

By pushing for the government to do stupid and unpopular things, they can get people mad at the very concept of government. They can then use that to dismantle things like nationalized health care, fire departments, whatever.

I see Spain wants ALL of my money. Sucks for them I don't live there and even if I did, I'm better at Internet than their legislators.

There's always DVDs of this stuff.... Doesn't have to be online.

I am against porn, but this don't solve anything.

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Enthusiasm is funny ha

Sounds like someone in the Spanish govt is familiar with adult bookstore glory holes.

porn credits. gtfh

Just image asking someone for a corn passport

It's always porn, isn't it? We don't need to protect children from misinformation, fascism, violence, racism, discrimination or exploitation on the internet, it's always just porn for some reason...

I wish they would just push all the big mainstream porn sites to remove the most abusive misogynistic content rather than slapping these checks on everything.

Also this will never be okay until there is a zero knowledge version that means neither the government, nor the sites, nor any other party can establish a given person's habits which is probably not something they'll ever do because tracking is probably part of the point.

I'm not a fan of the easy access to porn that kids have or the proliferation of the industry in general but I am worried that as part of this harmless things like erotic roleplaying websites will be swept up as part of it and well I use those. And their point is not porn though some people host and share porn as part of it (which is why it'd get swept up with it eventually probably), it's about writing, smutty, erotic writing. And I'd rather not have to tie my identity to my desires to roleplay out an elf who ends up at a gangbang with the wolf-men tribe to my real life identity (I'm not claiming that's something I do there but it's an example of something that would be kind of embarrassing for others to know and it's far from the weirdest stuff that goes on in places like that).

Government having credits for how often I could say log in and continue a long-term erotic writing campaign with someone is just weird but that's the end point of this kind of thing. Having credits seems not helpful anyways, the true porn addicts are just going to download stuff then share it in private forums, discords, p2p, etc. If the point is to stop kids from accessing this the credits thing seems odd.

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18.

Once verified, they'll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content.

While the tool has been criticized for its complexity, the government says the credit-based model is more privacy-friendly, ensuring that users' online activities are not easily traceable.

It will be voluntary, as online platforms can rely on other age-verification methods to screen out inappropriate viewers.

It heralds an EU law going into force in October 2027, which will require websites to stop minors from accessing porn.Eventually, Madrid's porn passport is likely to be replaced by the EU’s very own digital identity system (eIDAS2) — a so-called wallet app allowing people to access a smorgasbord of public and private services across the whole bloc.

“We are acting in advance and we are asking platforms to do so too, as what is at stake requires it,” José Luis Escrivá, Spain’s digital secretary, told Spanish newspaper El País.

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So the reason they give you multiple credits instead of just a 30 day cookie when you sign into a website is that it's anonymised right? You generate them and save them offline and the government doesn't know which token belongs to who?

Wouldn’t it be more effective to just grant each user a way to pass verification with age with a token tied to some system and simply use a Ring signature so that user privacy is preserved and no need for limits?

I haven't read enough to know if this is a good thing or not.

But goddamn, I would hate having a 12 year old right now knowing how much terrible, awful shit is out there these days.

I mean there's a ton of accounts like Andrew Tate that are aimed at getting these kids on a terrible thought path while they're still kids.

I would hate to have my theoretical child reading all of the terrible bullshit that's out there with no filter.

Tinfoil hat time! Also written thinking more about the US, where this sort of thing is also a growing topic.

Perhaps this government anti-porn law stuff is backed by people who actually want to dismantle government altogether. And not in a fun Communist way but in a privatize everything, corporate serfdom way.

By pushing for the government to do stupid and unpopular things, they can get people mad at the very concept of government. They can then use that to dismantle things like nationalized health care, fire departments, whatever.

Government playing parent yet again.

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Lets see how this pans out and how well it works ( or does not work )

What we perhaps need to do is start building respect for each other,

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I've got to get me a Spanish porn passport. I likes me some big bootie Spanish girls.

People live in Spain?

Also I'm just imagining the look on on the store clerks face when that one person comes in to buy porn credits for the 5th time that day.

I don't think this is that bad compared to the alternatives I've seen (it doesn't tie your identity to the content you're viewing, only the use of your credits) but I would be curious to know if the government is also reexamining its sex education curriculum and delivery at the same time. Banning porn won't magically improve the attitudes of young people (particularly men) towards their sexual partners.