Shit libertarians say.

Also just so parents can choose the “truth” they are teaching kids. That’s how you get uneducated racists and the like

My mom wasn't a alt-right wingnut, thankfully. But she kept me homeschooled despite me asking for regular schooling because she wanted the enabling of abuse. A child who could tell a teacher what she was saying to me was a threat to her. I didn't go to any schooling beyond some 1st grade, and then she forced me into college when she grew tired of abusing me, until I ran out of support venues and she dragged me back to home.

One homework thing my thought was to just read comic panels from Sunday newspapers archived online. That's it. I was given old "general knowledge" books but never anything in depth of any study. I had to learn fields from parsing google and Wikipedia, even if she allowed the use of a computer.

I'm sure there's some legitimate use cases for homeschooling, especially for children who are immune compromised. But I've never heard of a happy story of homeschooling, lord knows I'm not one of them. I was held back socially and education wise from my peers, even with my skills.

At the very very least, there should be a way for the state to enforce regular homeschooling standards. Track what grade the kids should be on, how they are doing, and then also economic aid for those who do.

But my personal experience with homeschooling is that it's never for the betterment of the child, it's always to enable abuse and submission of the child to the parent. Because new ideas are scary to the parent, and new ideas allow new ways of thinking that the parent didn't want the child to do.

I'm biased as hell, but when you're trapped with someone who beats you for a learning disability that would have been accommodated for in a public school that you as a 14 year old asked for, it leaves an impression on you.

Homeschooling is allowed in my country, but they have to take exams in front of a jury to prove they have been properly schooled.

My brother and sisiter-in-law briefly did "homeschooling" with their kids. I put the word in scare quotes because it wasn't what people normally think of when they consider homeschooling. It was actually a private school which the kids went to four days a week and then one day a week the parents guided the kids at home through a lesson plan prepared by the school. The only point of this was that it allowed the school to hire non-accredited and non-union teachers since it was ostensibly homeschooling and not a normal school.

At least it saved the parents money, right? Ha ha nope! Still expensive as shit - like $30K per year per kid.

Facebook groups for homschooling moms are fucking wild. To be fair you never know who's trolling there, because if you want to fool someone, you fool someone that is very easy to fool.

There's a family I saw on Facebook who had their ten kids apprehended and adopted out for beating them with a switch and not actually educating them in home school. Thankfully the kids are doing well.

What's more libertarian than a good old fashioned southern lynching?

Average is absolutely fine as long as you learn to use it.

They aren't republicans. They are neofeusalists disguising as such. Republic just means representative democracy.

A true libertarian community would have a collectively funded Fire Department and publicly funded roads.

Libertarians do not want to pay "taxes". Taxes are a portion of your money the government forcefully takes and does whatever they want with.

Public services that a libertarian uses, they would feel like they would have to pay for.

Joe drives to work. He takes a toll road (not saying toll roads are a good solution). He pays for the road that he is using.

Steve rides the bus to work. His bus ticket will have the cost of the roads fixed in.

Joe doesn't want to lose everything in a fire. He gets insurance. Insurance company doesn't want to lose the whole house. They get a fire department.

Right now we pay 100% of the fire department in taxes. While paying full price for insurance. Insurance companies get to use the fire department for free.

The idea that giving up ~40% of your work in hopes that the government takes care of you is ridiculous (Social Security is a government ran ponzi scheme). The idea that giving up ~40% of your work in hopes that the government takes care of someone else is also ridiculous.

The government used every penny of taxes you have paid or ever will pay to not even make a dent in the bail out of privately owned banks. Hell, they probably handed Tom Brady more than that in just the PPP loans he received and never had to pay back.

But life can't function without government taxes /s

No taxation without representation. Do you feel represented?

The big issue with homeschooling, is it is largely used as a tool for brainwashing and creating extremists...

It is illegal where I live and I do think it's a good idea for it to continue to be that way.

Aside from the obvious problem with actually learning children, one important part of school is for society to check if the children are well.

Free lunch for everyone is provided every school day, in fact it's illegal to not provide free lunch. So it's also a good way to make sure all children at least get a minimum amount of food each day even if they don't get any at home.

If the children can "learn" at home the rest of society would have no idea if they for example starve or are abused. It's much harder to hide abuse if the children are forced to go to school each day with teachers that are educated on how to spot signs of abuse. It's also great for children to make friends and not be insulated.

Yes, school isn't perfect due to stuff like bullying but that should be solved in other ways.

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They're about as "libertarian" as the Nazis were "socialist."

Hanged*

There are some good articles about it too. It was part of their attempt to turn the state of New Hampshire into a "free state" run on libertarian principles.

Turns out libertarian principles included not picking up garbage in bear country.

Also, some of the geniuses were actively feeding the bears.

A libertarian type told me I was subhuman because I want literal Nazis blocked from social media.

I saw one on Facebook who had their ten kids removed by CPS for beating the shit out of them.

Lack of being hung probably didn't help with their path down the libertarian rabbit hole.

I'll disagree, slightly. They can also be:

• starting from flawed premises (aka "The world is a just place" or "a just god exists")
• Inexperienced edgelords
• Arguing in bad faith (or just "I've got mine, so fuck you")

I say this as someone who flirted with libertarianism in my early 20's due mostly to a conservative religious upbringing. I'm not super smart, but I flatter myself to say that I'm above average intelligence and education, and there was still a brief time in my life when libertarianism served like a valid ideology. It took actually reading some objectivist philosophy and simultaneously reexamining and then rejecting my religious background before the flaws became evident.

Homeschooling is technically the opposite of fascist approach. As in "state being in charge" vs "parents being in charge".

That said, some parents are just too dumb to allow them full control over their child's education. Just in my case it was their "try harder" attitude about school, while something like homeschooling would work much better.

Imagine an autistic adult who never dropped the imitation and missed on most good things in life, trying to impose the same onto their autistic child who at least understands that imitation takes too much energy and isn't worth shit (and is seen right through by NT people anyway), thinking that their fake smiles, stupid loud nonsense talk and even fake hobbies (as in those they know nothing about, but talk a lot in public) don't look that, and also being scared shitless of the very idea of going to a therapist ("I'm/you're NORMAL", this is common in ex-USSR though), and, finally, actively sabotaging any idea to isolate their stupidity and ignorance to them. That would be my dad.

Other than personal examples, there are good and bad parents and there are good and bad schools and there are good and bad education systems.

Parents generally don't groom their children to become cannon fodder, some education systems do ; parents generally don't want their children to be fooled by politicians, and education systems are directly influenced by those politicians ; parents generally care for their own children to have some successes, while for Prussian-style school systems it's normal that some are just discarded, if the majority becomes good drones.

goes %100 against the NAP

The Non-Aggression Principle was always a swiss-cheese ideology. Looks great, tastes great, but its full of giant holes. It isn't rooted in some foundational legal understanding of assault and battery, or property theft or damage, or reputational slander, or financial harm. The basis for the NAP boils down to "Are you to blame for my anxiety?" And the prescription response for a violation is "Anything I think will make me feel better."

It's exactly the kind of reasoning that gives the term Anarchism a bad name. No common code of conduct or shared understanding of the world. Just a million little free radicals riding the tide of their insular views and knee-jerk reactions.

Because you can quote someone without actually speaking to them, and the UI has to show that as well as replies to that exchange.

It’s not perfect but it makes sense in context. Also, they all have timestamps so that should make the progression obvious.

I think homeschooling is an excuse to have your older children babysit the younger children all day long and that they get zero education, and I agree it probably should mostly be illegal. I will make exceptions for kids dealing with severe anxiety or something.

I've got a sister and a sister in law who both homeschool their 4 children each. Those kids don't know how to read. It makes me pretty sick.

Would be great if home schooling had some laws around not teaching your kids to be christofascist terrorists

Given how difficult it can be for a trained teacher to successfully manage lesson plans and teach one or two subjects, it's not hard to see why homeschooling is a disaster for a lot of kids who wind up being taught by a single parent with minimal to no education credentials.

Best-case scenario I've seen is that the students wind up pretty un-rounded, and wind up excelling in one or two subjects, while neglecting basically anything else. It makes sense from the perspective of the parent as well. That might be the subject you're most familiar with, and therefore can, even unintentionally, give it the most attention. Another aspect is wanting your kid to succeed, and if you see them excelling in a subject and doing poorly in another, there's a tendency to just keep focusing on that since they're doing so well on it, rather than "wasting time" on other subjects they're not excelling in.

Only 2 people I've ever known have managed to be what I'd consider "successful" after homeschooling. Both went to the same engineering school that I did, and did extremely well overall. However, they suffered many of the same issues in terms of over-specialization, which becomes really apparent when you talk with them for an extended period of time. Usually they also tend to be incredibly socially inept, but fortunately for these guys their parents gave them a ton of opportunities for socialization with clubs and social hobbies, so that wasn't as apparent, but still something that a lot of homeschool students miss out on.

Realistically, I think the only way you could feasibly manage a truly quality homeschool education is with both parents having an in-depth education of 2-3 subjects (like 5-6 years minimum), in addition to at least some formal educational training. Then, bringing in home tutors for the subjects they likely won't be able to cover nearly as well to supplement them. Finally, having them enrolled in an absurd amount of sports/clubs/hobbies to make up for the 6 hours of social contact with other kids they're missing out on.

With that being said, it's a fuckton more effort and money than almost anyone is going to actually put into a homeschool education, and 98% of the time it's going to be a stay at home parent with minimal to no credentials buying lesson plans off the internet, brushing up on them the night before, and likely giving lackluster instruction on most subjects.

My daughter was very severely bullied in her middle school and we put her in an online school she does from home, but it's a public school with classes (via videoconference) with actual accredited teachers and the same awful Pierson textbooks everyone else uses anyway because Pierson, unfortunately, runs the program despite it being a public school.

She got the best grades she's ever gotten and gained a ton of self confidence when she was self-harming before.

Not exactly homeschooling as it is usually thought of, but she does do school from home.

Incidentally, this also means I can correct the information in her health class about things like cannabis and can also make sure she understands that her social studies class is often giving her the right wing or corporate viewpoints that are typical in American schools. She knows she still has to answer their way, but at least she knows what they're lying about when I can show her that they're lying.