It's been a while since a reddit thread got me this heated.
Obviously I don’t know the full context, but often when a school resource officer is the one removing a kid it’s because they’ve refused to leave after the teacher and an administrator have asked them to. So that means the student has been potentially disrupting that class for tens of minutes before someone finally removed them. Not condoning the method but the students probably knew this was coming.
my god, TENS of minutes? TENS? POTENTIALLY DISRUPTING for TENS OF WHOLE MINUTES?
There was no violence there. There was controlled use of force. She was never stuck or choked. Her lack of cooperation with an authorized authority is what caused the event to be volatile.
I am confident of two things. First this is not the beginning of this incident. Second this person was given a choice. She made at least two bad choices to end up in this situation.
Rebels and protesters don't think about all the costs involved in the final purchase. Usually they don't end up paying it either.
why are you confident of that lmao
My kid would have NEVER. But I went to school with students who acted out, and I didn’t bat an eye. Because if I acted out - the security at school would be a walk in the park compared to the ass whoopin I would’ve received at HOME.
all those beatings have sure turned you into a wonderful parent. "my kid would NEVER" = the kid is doing that thing every single day
Okay galaxy brain, how would you handle removing the child from the classroom if they refused to cooperate?
SO MANY PEOPLE being like "what's the alternative? what were they supposed to do??", the redditor mind can really only conceive of things happening that end in clips. The idea of having a conversation is beyond the imagination, violence is the only conceivable outcome.
What a surprise she’s black /s 🤦♂️
and now you see laid bare the thought that every other poster thought before making their post
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I went to a really shitty public school where the kids would fight with the teachers and the security, these kids were failed a long time ago, like generations ago.
It sucks having to be scared of people trying to fight you for no good reason or have class disrupted by some person who is mad at the world and doesnt give a shit who they hurt. I am definitely dumber than the people who I went to college with because of that environment. But I hate more redditors/white people who dont get whats going on. That goes for both libs and chuds.
Its not that theyre bad people, its not their parents are bad people, its not their race, were talking about generations of various trauma and lack of social cohesion that make people act like that.
literally how is every student in that class not going to see that and go "oh, okay, this is prison. we're inmates. all the adults here hate us and there's no point in trying to gain their approval."
There could be many reasons why you dont think that:
The kid is a piece of shit and has been asking for an assbeating for a long time. It being a cop doing it doesnt make a difference and may make it the ideal situation because that person may have power over you for various reasons. The people you go to school with in this environment are also what make the experience so miserable. It's funny that you ask that because a low-income public school shares a lot of culture that a prison would have.
You dont get involved because you don't want to get in trouble
Don't care.
You've developed reactionary politics from being exposed to this kind of stuff daily but not really understanding the underlying cause.
Your sympathy lies with the teacher who is just trying to do their job. FROM MY EXPERIENCE, rarely do the teachers work against you, they are excited when you do well. They do care and are passionate, the ones looking for an easy check leave quickly or move on to a better school district after hearing "fuck you bitch" for the nth time.
Also there's a power dynamic and balance these teachers have to maintain in this environment that lies between getting walked all over and being respected. Respect generally is given to teachers, the students dont really care if they have the teachers.
The adults dont hate you but what can you do about a child who is threatening you with violence? Or is not willing to listen? It really is the child who is the instigator in a lot of these situations but that doesn't mean theyre the ones to entirely take blame because American society being a garbage failure.
In my school for example, gangbangers would get pretty close with the security guards ironically as they were neutral adults who didnt expect or demand anything from them.
Yeah i mean you can be in that environment and draw that conclusion too honestly but it really is just how fucked up and shitty the US is. You cant enslave an entire group of people and not expect anything bad to come from it.
I've also been a in a school full of kids failed by society who fought frequently, but never ever did staff initiate violent confrontation with the children (though I don't think such an action would ever be legally defensible in my country). My fear is that this comment teeters worryingly close to 'those kids are unsaveable and this is in some slight degree a necessity', which I hope isn't the intention.
I’ve talked to people on reddit who claim “I’m really a liberal, but I can’t vote for democrats because the party administration is too bad!” and then say things like “DeSantis is fantastic”. Oh.
I remember when I was in highschool some kid was acting up and the police got called and they literally held her down and pepper sprayed her straight up the nose point blank. When she got back I talked to her and she had permanent damage to her sense of smell and her lungs
There's definitely a thing to be said for how has so many people complaining about AuThOrItArIaN cHiNa, but at the same time has so many subs like PublicFreakout or JusticeServed or whatever where they're cheering for cops or rentacops beating up people, usually for some minor infraction (or even worse, beating up protesters), and then justify it with ”well, they shouldn't have done the thing if they didn't want to be beaten”.
There was a video on there today of a woman in china threatening people with a cleaver in each hand, and Chinese police took her down with plastic bins and a pole that grabbed her ankle. Disarmed her, and arrested her.
The entire comment section was making jokes about how in fascist authoritarian countries they'd just shoot you. One person tried to be like "buh buh buh organ harvesting!" and was downvoted negative.
That sub is like the ebb and flow of tides, one day it will be almost entirely anti-cop and anti-Israel, the next it feels like the fucking hunger games looking for a slaughter.
Don't worry, if you post a video of someone getting punched for screaming a racial slur at someone over and over they'll suddenly become enlightened and state how violence isn't the answer. It's predictable as shit.
My experience with PublicFreakout has been mostly pretty positive in that they tend to take an anti-cop stance, especially during the last BLM wave. Their most upvoted posts of all time are all negative about police violence. So much so that a reactionary offshot called "ActualPublicFreakouts" was made.
Nice euphemism for violence fascist indoctrination in schools.
That people I know were able to deal with tens of thousands of students over decades without the use of physical violence tells a lot about the USA and their bad framework of pedagogy in schools. A school resource officer should be a person able to give out resources that are needed, not hit people.
Jesus Christ the video makes it entirely worse. She's sitting in a desk/chair combination and so is stuck in place while the cop basically thrashes her around the room, nearly smashing her head/neck off another desk, and violently wrenching her from the desk.
Somehow that comment is even worse than your description of it, because the comment seems to imply that if a child shows insufficient deference to the grown man, the grown man should be allowed to almost murder her.
The whole “stupid prizes” aphorism reduces to a Judeo-Christian view of morality. Rules are absolute and shall not be questioned. They are Commandments passed down from God. We don’t know all of God’s reasoning for the Rules, but if you break the Rules you have no excuse (after all the Rules were clear) and any punishment is Fair according to divine judgment.
Liberals will defend even unjust laws because they believe that deeply in the law and the legal-political institutions in place to change it as needed. Hence another favorite aphorism: The wheels of justice move slowly, but they grind extremely fine. The inability for our institutions to correctly handle situations as they arise is accepted as a feature and not a design flaw.
I really dont think its hey its a black school, add more cops and security guards. Its more like we have social decay and poverty here, we dont have any solutions to it so well bandaid over it with cops and security. In turn making the environment more oppressive and broken. Its just a sad losing situation
Though I tend to see good intentions in a lot of choices where others don't. I think the ruling class are well aware by now that cops and security are an actively oppressive force, doubly so for minorities, and I would be surprised if there wasn't some degree of deliberate intention to make things worse. Probably as some sort of punishment.
Not what antinatalism is. None of the people im that thread are antinatalists.
Edit: to further "go off", Reddit is a site of manchildren who make more money than they should and have more time to not work than most, and is dominated by a combination of free market ethos pseudo-free speech maximalism with extremely overbearing, petty rules that exist to control the users in ways the admins and mods don't like. It's the exact kind of culture that craves disciplining children into little controlled pseudo-autonomous automatons. Antinatalism isn't really factoring into this.
I think you're confusing anti-natalists with the "childfree" subreddit. I'm sure there's a lot of overlap between users, but reddit's antinatalists aren't really anti-child as they are anti-not being rewarded just for existing. Or that's the vibe I get from them anyway.
I can’t even view the thread on mobile without logging in via the Reddit app because it is marked NSFW lol. I refuse to download the app or create an account again. Does anyone have a workaround?
Every night before I go to sleep, I pray for Amerika to be scorched off the face of the earth, myself included
I'm... So fucking done with pretending these people can be assembled together with. I'm so fuckin tired. You know those crackers'd be the first in line to talk about 'no, of COURSE they're not racists, they have black friends who agree that little misbehaving black girls deserve to get manhandled by rent-a-pigs'
So fucking done with pretending these people can be assembled together with.
Maybe some or most of them are bots? It's a lazy way of dismissing what might be a really disgusting problem but I'd prefer to think that there aren't this many horrible people. I mean I really don't want to be in a room full of people thinking that shit is ok, unless I'm visiting a reeducation camp or something.
I think the issue is more one of self-selection by terrible people to a terrible community and those who are less terrible being enculturated to be more terrible.
These people who spend all their time on reddit are not representative of the general population. Groups online can seem like they represent a far larger percentage of people because online spaces tend to become, for lack of a better term, "echo chambers" with their own rules and manners and code of conduct.
you may be surprised to find that "doing something" does not have a component that is visible online, especially if it's something effective and you know how to keep your mouth shut.
what's fucked up is this isn't even the worst video I've seen of a (white) sheriff body slamming a (black) child on a (concrete/tile) floor. Saw a near-identical video a few years back where a lot more force was put into it.
I had a similar thought about her being black but based on the cop being a racist piece of shit, it didn’t really click for me that the commentator is also a racist piece of shit right away.