Conservatives win longtime Liberal stronghold Toronto-St. Paul's in shock byelection result
Conservatives win longtime Liberal stronghold Toronto-St. Paul's in shock byelection result
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Well that is going to be bad for everyone. Looks like we're headed back to science denial, tax credits for the rich, program cancellations for the poor, a weak fed that ignores the marginalized, bitcoin for some reason, deregulation, attacks on democracy, and just a general attitude of government by bumper sticker skeleton middle finger.
I remember when PP was in government, they weren't good days, but I guess Trudeau has been in for so long that the list of true and imagined grievances is going to sink him and the rest of us with him.
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Don't forget increased intentionally fucking over BC.
• Harper and PPs complete capitulation on the softwood lumber agreement to the US, multiple times decimated rural BC.
• They moved harbour control for the 2nd busiest port on the west coast of the Americas, out of Vancouver and have them remotely operating out of Comox.
• They illegally forced the TMX expansion pipeline through, and overrode concerns of the city of Hope that the new line runs over their watershed and they ignored native issues with the pipeline. Note that it doesn't run over Nestles well. They moved the line for fucking Nestle, not a city of people though.
• They shut down the coast guard facility for the Vancouver harbor and forced them to operate out of Richmond. So in the recent issue of a boat running into a seaplane, where the coast guard took under 10 minutes to respond, if Trudeau had not repurchased and opened the facility, their response time would have been in the range of 40 minutes to an hour.
Not to mention a return to "balancing" the budget by selling off assets to developer friends and scandals like taking the G8 security budget and using it for graft and bribery in your own ridings.
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Don't forget Harper selling the Wheat Board to Bunge Limited and the Saudi Agricultural and Livestock Investment Company, so profits were privatized instead of being shared by all the farmers.
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Wait till you realize that not only is PP bad, but so is Trudeau and Singh. And please don't mention Maxime. That guy is a anti-vax nutjob.
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What we do realize is that this "both sides" bullshit is the biggest thing pushed by Russian spammers right now, because their goal is to elect someone better for Putin.
But carry on.
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It has to do with scale.
PP is exponentially worse than Trudeau and Jasmeet. Yes, neither of those two silver spoon assed motherfuckers worked a day in their life for where they are and combined can't lead their way out of a wet paper bag, but I'll take them over the mentally ill religious zealot.
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I'll take slightly curdling milk in my cereal over piss, thanks.
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Perhaps the NDP shouldn't have hitched their horse to the Liberal bandwagon. The fact that they're showing so poorly is just as mind boggling as the Liberals losing this seat.
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I'm happy the NDP has worked with the LPC over this last parliament. Together they've made a number of significant policy changes that I am quite happy with.
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Unfortunately it seems obvious that PP and his party will win with a majority government. And as an autistic LGBTQ person who already experiences real hate from people in my small town, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared.
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As a middle-aged, cis, hetero, mostly neuro-typical guy living in Calgary - I see you, I value you, and I care about you. I can't pretend to understand what your life is like - but you deserve every bit as much happiness and support as anyone else.
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Thank you, I appreciate comments like this so much. I hope you have a wonderful day.
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My hope is that this will give the Liberal party the courage to look for new leadership. Trudeau was great when he started, but a decade in the spotlight has worn him down and tainted his brand (fairly or unfairly).
The Liberals under Trudeau are trying to get elected on a platform of 'more of the same' when a lot of Canadians are unhappy. A new leader, with a new vision and a solid platform could have a fighting chance against PP. But under Trudeau the party feels like they've given up.
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One of the first things Trudeau did as Prime Minister was break the top-line platform promise that got him elected - he promised Canadians that the 2015 federal election would be the last one under the first past the post system. So I'd say from the standpoint of democracy, he had an absolutely horrible start.
Of course he went on to reap the benefits of the imbalanced first past the post system for two subsequent federal elections, one of which he called unnecessarily during the pandemic in order to consolidate power for his party.
I think him and his party have been vaporware since day one.
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Yep. I will never vote for him again for this reason. I used to vote strategically based on my current riding, but I’m just straight NDP now.
This was a concrete and clear promise, and he 100% broke it and didn’t even try. The Liberal candidate would have basically always been my 2nd choice in a ranked system.
Now they get nothing. I hope it was worth it.
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RoC: votes conservatives.
QC: BLOC MAJORITAIRE
See you at the next sovereignty debate.
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Can't wait for Quebec and Alberta to leave Canada. Will be flying the Canadian flag around Toronto that day.
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Oh, they can leave whenever they want. As per any rental agreement, make sure to leave it how you found it or we'll sue ya for repairs.
No, you don't get the land; just your freedom from healthcare. Go.
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BLOC MAJORITAIRE
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Given the location of this voting district which straddles some very nice neighbourhoods (and some middle-class ones), I'm not surprised this turned conservative.
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... you've got to be the only person then. Even the CPC is surprised they won.
Also, your excuse makes no sense. What's your reasoning for the previous Liberal massive success in thus riding? They've regularly been getting ~50% or more of the vote and even won by a healthy margin in 2011 when the party was soundly defeated from coast-to-coast... Do you think all the rich people moved in within the last couple of years?
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Hello? The average income of this district is twice that of the province, and of the city. Half the residents live in the wealthy neighbourhoods in the district. This is our 1%. Inflation doesn't impact them. Higher capital gains tax does. The other half are in apartment buildings along yonge in mid-town. Fashionable and desirable area. The north boundary of district is called "young and eligible". Rising cost of homes impact their home ownership aspirations. Some of these apartment dwellers have swung to cons. Libs have fucked up big time.
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The unpopularity of Trudeau has caused this.
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Yep.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Conservative candidate Don Stewart has won the longtime federal Liberal stronghold of Toronto-St. Paul's, a stunning result that raises questions about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's future.
The Liberals' poor showing in a stronghold like this could prompt some soul-searching for Trudeau, who has seen his popularity plummet as inflation, the cost of living crisis, high home prices and surging immigration levels drive voter discontent.
David Coletto, chair and CEO of Abacus Data, said he believes the Liberals need to win by 10 points or more to give Trudeau a credible path forward.
Speaking to CBC News from Stewart's election night party before any results were released, Byrne said Toronto-St. Paul's "will probably stay on the Liberal side of things."
The NDP candidate, Amrit Parhar, struggled to make much of a mark with about 11 per cent of the vote in Toronto-St. Paul's — a worse performance than what the party achieved in the last general election.
The agency said it was bogged down because there were dozens of candidates on the unwieldy, nearly metre-long ballot — some of whom are proportional-representation activists running as a protest to the country's first-past-the-post voting system.
The original article contains 942 words, the summary contains 190 words. Saved 80%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
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What I see is 5k NDP and Greens voters who would rather see a conservative MP having the seat than make sure it's someone fairly progressive in place.
Oh and enough people that voted for fake independents to make a point in favor of electoral reform to make a party that has always been against electoral reform take the seat.
It's not a fucking proportional system, vote strategically you idiots!
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What I see is a need for Ranked Choice Voting, but the Liberals don't want to do that because they benefit from the current quasi-duopoly. But it is a necessary evolution
Edit: I think its pretty clear they benefit. Lotta would-be NDP voters who happen to fall into this dilemma of not wanting a Conservative government so they hold their nose and vote Liberal just until the next "less-pivotal" election that just never comes
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I was one of those strategic voters and I was promised by the Liberals that they were going to have the "last election under first past the post". That didn't happen so I decided I am done being dragged into supporting a party that constantly fails to deliver the things I believe in. What I don't understand is seeing how the Liberals are getting demolished at the polls, why isn't the new strategic vote to go NDP to stop the Conservatives? They aren't that far behind the Liberals. 🤷
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No, you don't get to blame third party when this riding was overwhelmingly Liberal for 30 years. Plus, the margin of victory was so small that they didn't even need strategic voters to win it themselves.
This was a de facto referendum on Trudeau himself, and he would be wise to take heed of this warning.
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Cut your nose to spite your face
You're angry at Trudeau? Fine. Get PP in power and see how things go for you, I'm sure the majority of people who think like you are the ones who will suffer the most under a conservative government. You do you, I'm a white man with a good job that owns a house and I'm still trying to improve things for those who aren't as privileged instead of thinking about myself and voting for lower taxes and less services for those in needs, maybe you should do the same.
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What I see is 5k NDP and Greens voters who would rather see a conservative MP having the seat than make sure it's someone fairly progressive in place.
It's called having integrity. Although I largely don't agree with their politics, I am proud of the 5k NDP and Green for being uncompromising in their values.
ABC voters have no commitment to ideals or integrity, they'd vote for the likes of Stalin and Mao if it meant keeping a conservative out of office.
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Don't have much integrity if you make decisions that will mean the people you want to protect will suffer even more just because you want to be able to say you sticked to your guns.
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Who cares. No party is going to fix our country at this point. Canadians are just too complacent with everything our government has done. And PP will be no different.
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[both sides]
- There is a difference
- When you don't see a difference and feel like not voting, understand this is a calculated effect by the party who most benefits from your non-vote
- That party isn't your friend
- Always vote the party who can best deliver on the least-worse plan for even the non-rich people in the country. And repeat. Force an evolution.
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In your opinion: What should be done?
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