Any lemmies that are politically neutral?
Any lemmies that are politically neutral?
Looking for somewhere to discuss stuff that doesn't swing right or left and doesn't ban people for voicing an opinion.
No - there is no such thing.
Everything is political, even the desire for an apolitical space.
I understand, but maybe I should have said "neutral moderation to an extent"
This post reminds me of an old adage I heard about driving. “Everyone that drives slower than me is an idiot, and everyone that drives faster is a maniac”
As others are saying, your middle ground is someone else’s extreme.
Well I was 2 day banned from Reddit saying I disagree with a ruling that was in favour with a transgender person and that I don't agree with the ideals of transgenders.
I got a 2 day ban for harassment and abuse, appealed it as it was not, and then got a permaban.
"...that I don't agree with the ideals of transgenders."
Ah, there it is. Has the same vibes as, "I don't have a problem with black people, just black culture."
And what "ideals" are you taking issue with? You mean how trans folks want to be treated equally and fairly? Or maybe how trans folks want to raise awareness of violence across the world towards them? Or maybe how trans folks would like people to respect their pronouns, the exact same way people have been doing for centuries with nicknames and preferred names?
I don't agree with the ideals of transgenders.
What does that even mean?
From my perspective trans people just want people to stop weaponizing the government against them. It’s just the latest bs moral panic to keep people distracted on culture war nonsense instead of actually trying to change anything of substance for the better.
There's a big difference between "I wouldn't choose that," and "They should be prevented by force from choosing that."
What you're looking for is a hate group. You can advocate not just judicial rulings limiting the freedom of minority groups, but for disposing of the minorities once and for all. If that's too extreme then you'll just need to tolerate them. Be better than those that didn't tolerate your hatred.
It's extremely had to be politically neutral for a global community.
The centre of the political spectrum in one country might be left/right in another.
Then comes the extreme ideologies, are they trolling or genuine? Is that opinion considered hateful in some countries?
It's a complete minefield. Why would someone without an agenda to push even try? Most neutrals would just say 'no politics'.
Really well put. Totally agree that once a community grows large enough there is no single mindset for every topic.
If by asking for a neutral place you are asking for somewhere that conservatives with hateful, childish, and dangerous beliefs that have no quantifiable basis in reality can go where they won't be treated like children..... shrugs
Not anywhere I will spend my time, conservatives can stay in their lame isolated pockets on the fediverse, the rest of the fediverse is for people who actually have functioning capacities for empathy and want to have adult conversations that adhere to reality.
Sounds a lot like this place too, honestly.
Not knocking people with similar beliefs hanging out together, but it's wild yousay that and don't see that in lemmy.
Not knocking people with similar beliefs hanging out together, but it’s wild yousay that and don’t see that in lemmy.
Yawn here we go again with slippery slope echo chamber arguments.
Ok well I AM knocking conservatives when they hang out in groups, they become incredibly toxic and violent in their beliefs and they become dangerous even to the existence of a basic apparatus of federal government (see January 6th). Still, like putting all the rotting food in a trash can, while it doesn’t slow down the rot of the already rotting food, it does keep it contained and safe. Conservative hateful ideologies can only really thrive when centrists use force to open the door to larger communities and make them accept the presence of fascists. Then normalization can start that will indoctrinate people who never otherwise would have accepted the violence and unnecessary cruelty of conservatism simply because people begin to think “oh, well we wouldn’t have let an ACTUAL fascist through the door right!? We are civilized!”.
The difference between groups of leftists is while they all might have pink hair and punk looking clothes and rainbow colors or whatever, and they all might “look the same” to you…. but unlike your pathetic, lame conservative friends, your leftist friends will accept you for whoever you want to be whether we are talking about your gender, clothing tastes, desire to express feminine or masculine identities, off the wall careers you want to follow, new developments in your relationship to your spirituality or religion or really WHATEVER the fuck you want. Your leftist friends will give you direct aid no questions asked when you need it, they will be vulnerable and emotional with you when you need it and never shy away from a heartfelt conversation about love or caring for others just because it is awkward.
Your conservative friends will be too afraid to hug you when you reveal to them you are far out on an edge of depression and scared you are going to hurt yourself because that might look gay, they will literally leave you floundering at the edge of the void because they have been so fucked by their ideology that their first concern is to assure you they didn’t abruptly switch who they were attracted to and were now trying to make a move on you while you are emotionally devastated.
Conservatives are for the most part dangerous children who think they are adults, and they largely stand in the way of younger generations fighting for their survival. Go find your local radical leftist librarian at whatever protest all the kids are at on the other hand…
When leftists get mad it isn’t because they are drunk at their high school kids sports game and yelling at an innocent scared high school trans kid that he is gonna beat the queers up, they get mad because people don’t have healthcare or homes, or when genocide is happening or when we are destroying the earth in a way we can never fix. They chain themselves to a tree in the path of a dozer which is a universe away from being angry and mad at people because you don’t understand them and that scares you, the leftist understands exactly what functions the tree, the bulldozer and their body all play in that moment and they willing and full of righteous anger to do it.
The shrillness you place in leftism is we don’t make time for bigots, and if your social awareness is so muted that you can’t tell the difference between shouting down a bigot and bullying a truly innocent and well intentioned person, than don’t get upset at leftists for seeing a massive red flag flying over your head in terms of deducing your intentions.
Sounds like you're trying to make this an isolated pocket in the fediverse with that hatred you spread.
“I’m apolitical” == “I have political opinions that are too extremist even for political parties”
So because I don't agree with the ideals of transgenders or immigration, I'm extreme? What?
Hmm.
What are the "ideals of transgenders?" The right to exist, free from persecution? If you're opposed to basic human dignity and rights which you'd be really pissed about it someone tried to take them away from you, then, yeah. That's a fairly extremist view.
Immigration... well, I can at least understand the thought process. But unless you're Native American yourself, then that's just fucking hypocritical. I wouldn't say "extreme," just more "asshole." Like, you got yours, and fuck everyone else trying to get what your immigrant great-great-grandparents did - it's a kind of dick attitude. If you are of indigenous descent, then sure: you get a free pass on that topic, from me, at least.
We should be able to discuss these topics, and I'll agree Lemmy can be pretty hostile when it shouldn't be. Lemmy's got its own Overtone Window and it can be rather fascist about enforcing it. However, if you approach a controversial topic at least attempting to come across as open to debate, and not just ranting about cross-dressing Mexican laborers taking your job - and really depending on the instance and forum you post into, you stand a fair chance of having a decent discussion.
You're not going to get much love going into a feminist community whining about affirmative action is actually just sexism in disguise, no matter what.
I'll just point out that many of is are aware of the paradox of tolerance: intolerance cannot itself be tolerated, or the bigots will eventually win. So if you're feeling as it you're getting slapped down about some topics, maybe consider it your position is one of tolerance or intolerance, and know that Lemmy's aware of the danger of allowing a Nazi to sit at the table with you.
There is a saying: "facts have a liberal bias". :-) Some people ofc vehemently disagree.
Each instance is different, as is each community. Many do not follow their own rules, especially about "no politics allowed" but it creeps in everywhere. Tbf, modding is a hard job.
Though you can block communities that you don't want to see in your feed, and even entire instances (it won't stop people from them downvoting you or even commenting on your stuff, but it will stop notifications being sent to you when they do. Get to it via Settings -> Blocks -> Instance. Users and communities can be done similarly but it's easier to just visit their page and hit the block button there. There's a saying about that too: block early and often, for the sake of your sanity.
I don't know about instances - there's a lot to look at like lemm.ee, lemmy.cafe, reddthat.com, sh.itjust.works, etc. - but I hope this helped in other ways:-).
You could always start this if you can't find it, could be interesting? c/middleground?
Edit: the center is going to mean different things to different people too.
No, because it goes against some of the rules alot of the lemmies have of they take a post out of context. I don't agree immigration and I don't agree with transgenders. I don't hate them though. I'd still get banned for that
There's at least some parts of the lemmy community where those views are acceptable even if generally they're frowned upon in the wider community. Maybe !debate@hilariouschaos.com ? The hilariouschaos instance seems relatively err... libertarian in their approach to free speech but still is widely federated to other instances. Not speaking from experience as I'm not subscribed to any of their communities but that was the impression I got.
Regardless of our current differences of opinion on transgender folks and (most kinds of) immigration, and the differences between you and the lemmy community at large I'd like to think it's a big enough place that you'll be able to find room here for respectful discussion, or start a community of your own on an instance where it can happen.
Yes , I am. The US right is so batshit that I’ve never found one I could even consider voting for. And most democrats in the US are to the right of my beliefs.
But I am pretty cenrterist in my policy beliefs.
The best advice is to be on communities on as many servers as possible. You can’t really obtain “political neutrality” heavy-handed-ly but in aggregate by getting as many viewpoints as possible it will be neutral in aggregate
no. unfortunately, it is just on... way past donkey kong.
I'm the small line in the middle.