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Italy’s Leonardo given £165m UK military helicopter contract

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I wonder how the UK feel about Brexit now that we've all entered that you-can-all-go-funk-yourself age (soon to be called a post-NATO era, I suppose) the USA just inaugurated with their new orange king (Kong)?
It's a serious question. Like I also wonder how the EU would feel about welcoming back the UK?
As a EU citizen, even though they acted like huge dicks (to keep it polite) and knowing they often are an utter pain in the ass to work and to live with, I would support them coming back in the Union. But that's just me and, unlike that Trump guy and its cheese-headed buffoon, I don't think I should rule a country like if I owned it, let alone 27 countries. And then, more than a few countries in the EU may not be that excited at the idea of the UK coming back, with their constant demands... because they themselves have made it real easy to not be happy about them being back.
I suppose signing military deals (and hopefully closer collaboration, training and other stuff armies do) would be the obvious thing to do, right now.
PS: I also do wonder how the assholes that led them into this shitty situation are doing?
- It's really sad to see the UK get grouped like this.
  I was part of the 48.1% who voted remain. How does the UK feel about Brexit now? Myself, and everyone I know is unhappy that it happened.
  But it was never really a vote of the people, massive media campaigns for decades have villified the EU, the faces of Leave/Remain were all toxic. We were told that it was just an advisory, so I'm not surprised if people used to to vote against the Conservative government recommendations.
  Even now, with our last election we had the two main parties hold completely terrible positions. We are stuck, and have been for decades, with no escape. Even our party of workers is making life harder for everyone, so it feels impossible to fight it.
  Current polling shows 55% want to be in the EU, with only 30% happy to be out of it.
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/
  But even with that, our Government doesn't represent us. Cozying up to Trump when there is massive hate towards them here rather than with our neighbours, fucking idiots. That's how you get far right parties.
  
  UK is one of the only countries in Western Europe (if not the only one) which doesn't use some form of Proportional Representation. This does make our government somewhat rigid, and less representative. Is that part of what made us difficult to work with, in the eyes of other EU countries?
  
  It’s really sad to see the UK get grouped like this.
  It's not sad, it's how a democracy is supposed to be working imho. A majority of the UK voted for the Brexit, which means that the UK as a whole voted for it and then acted accordingly. Sure, you were many to oppose it. Still the vote was made and no matter how stupid it was, that was the result for the entire country. A bit like many here in France were against re-electing Macron as our President (note that I don't say I was for nor against him being re-elected) but since he has been re-elected by a majority of the voters he his the President of the entire French Republic and of all of us, he is not the President of just the ones that voted for him ;)
  I was part of the 48.1% who voted remain. How does the UK feel about Brexit now? Myself, and everyone I know is unhappy that it happened.
  The morning I heard the results I had to check with friends over the channel if all our media had all been hacked by russian-hackers because I could not believe such a thing had indeed happened. That was so, well...
  fucking idiots.
  I could not have said it better ;)
  
  With a 72% turnout, only 37% of registered voters voted Leave. Should not voting be seen as a vote for the status quo?
  
  That's another question, imho. Worth discussing, for sure. But I would say the rules of the vote were known before the vote. If one doesn't agree with them, that's obviously fine but they should have questioned them (and then their choice of not voting) before the vote, not question a result that is following the rules of that vote.
- I would support them coming back in the Union
  Same, as long as there are exactly zero exceptions for them this time. And they must adopt the Euro from day one.
- When Europe decided it wanted to create its own convention on human rights, they enlisted the English to write it, so respected is the English legal system among the other members.
  The EU has always been clear that it prefers Britain on the inside, and has left the door wide open for its potential return. The special sweeteners Britain once had may be more hotly discussed.
- I am all for them returning - this time however with the same rights and duties as all the rest. So no more pound and no more special rights.
  
  Only on the condition that you help guillotine the rulling class.
  We didn't do it properly the first time and look at the state of us.
  
  Well that is quite the demand, we've got similar problems ourselves so you're on your own there
  
  I think I'm right in saying it was your government that put paid to the last 2 attempts to enable universal message snooping throughout the EU (called Chat Control in its most recent incarnation). Our shitty government - whether Labour or Tory - is one of the most eager to get its hands on such a draconian wide-ranging power.
  I think what we're seeing in the US right now should be taken as even more reason to prevent such brazen encroachment of government into individuals' private lives. For that reason alone, I don't think you should be so keen to allow the UK back into the EU; not without some kind of electoral reform at least (i.e. some form of Proportional Representation).

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