If anyone wonder what Palestinians themselves think about US elections
If anyone wonder what Palestinians themselves think about US elections
https://t.me/pflpgaza1/14794 [https://t.me/pflpgaza1/14794] Press release 🔴The Popular Front calls for a boycott of the Democratic and Republican parties and stresses the necessity of not voting for advocates of genocide and supporters of colonialism. • The Popular Front for the Liberation of Pales...
Press release
🔴The Popular Front calls for a boycott of the Democratic and Republican parties and stresses the necessity of not voting for advocates of genocide and supporters of colonialism.
• The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine calls on the free people of America, especially the supporters of the Palestinian people, the Palestinian and Arab communities, and the organizations of blacks and minorities, to boycott the Democratic and Republican parties in the American elections scheduled for tomorrow, which share clear colonial goals aimed at exterminating our people and strengthening the Zionist settlement project.
• These two parties were directly involved in the ongoing war of extermination against our Palestinian and Lebanese peoples, and they never concealed their blatant bias in favor of the occupation, and their continued support for its racist policies that target the existence of our Palestinian people and uproot them from their land.
• The positions of the two American parties reflect an explicit adoption of ethnic cleansing, and legitimize the Zionist crimes and massacres against our people, through financial, political and military support for the Zionist entity; the statements of the symbols of these parties also seek to beautify and justify their imperialist policies that adopt a colonial language, which sees the Palestinian people as an obstacle to their alleged “civilizational project”, and their election campaigns ignore the horrific crimes committed daily against Palestinian civilians, especially women and children, in an attempt to cover up the true face of the occupation and legitimize its crimes.
• The Democratic and Republican parties also continue their attempts to attract the support of Zionist lobbies and influential people, in efforts that aim to strengthen the policies of mass displacement and organized repression against the Palestinians.
• In this context, the Popular Front renews its explicit call to all honorable people in American society not to vote for these two parties that use American tax money, which is sucked from the blood of the American people, to support the Zionist genocidal regime.
• The Popular Front sees boycotting these two Zionist parties in tomorrow’s American elections as a moral stance no less important than any other form of solidarity with the Palestinian people and the rights of oppressed peoples. It is also an effective means of struggle to expose the falsehood of American slogans that speak of freedom and human rights. The United States, through its political tools, is trying to exploit these concepts to justify its crimes and consolidate its hegemony over peoples, without caring about the rights of the Palestinians who are subjected to the most heinous types of crimes.
• Finally, the Front considers that the boycott of the two parties is a clear internal message to the American administration and the international system around it that those who collude in shedding the blood of our people and displacing them should not receive the votes of the free people of the world and our communities, who refuse to be contributors to their election or false witnesses to their criminal policy in power.
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine Central Media Department 4-November-2024
Original post by @SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml
You're viewing a single thread.
There is no moral choice regarding the palestine situation in this election. If both parties support the genocide and colonialism of Israel then boycotting solves nothing, one of the parties is going to win anyways.
This leads to the conclusion that the situation over there should not be a factor in how Americans vote. There are other issues, both domestic and foreign that hinge on this election and are still worthy of voters.
Boycotting will solve one thing, that parties won't care about your electorate. If enough people do so, then a party might want to take a stance supportive of Palestine, and gain the votes of that electorate.
That said, it is def important to now vote.
Agree with the theory, but in practice what happens is the parties simply focus on courting the people who do vote and shift their attention to them even more, ratcheting the discourse further to the side that tends to have voters show up more reliably. It's far cheaper and easier to nudge a willing and reliable buyer (in this case, voter) to buy your wares than it is to go out and bring new buyers into the existing market. Not impossible, but I personally don't have faith in the plutocratic two party system the US has to self-reflect and seek out those disengaged voters instead of taking the easy route and pandering to the existing and reliable voter pool (at least not in the short term).
I thought the boycott proposed here was a boycott of the two major parties, not a boycott of voting at all.
Aaah I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying
That is false. When one of the two parties is desperate enough for those anti genocide votes they will cave. A third party is not required to win. The two major parties can win over their voters. If they so desire.
Well that's one way to justify explicitly supporting genocide. Not very effective for humans, but you people never did have much humanity in you, did you?
It's basic game theory. You can be pissed and dehumanize people as much as you want, but there is exactly 0% chance that neither one will be elected today. Considering the fact that elections aren't single issue referendums, complaining about people not throwing away their only voice and change influence option (their vote) is sophomoric and naive.
So the game theory says the votes are at the same time not important because either way genocider will get elected but at the same time so important you absolutely MUST vote (for whom? Surely not for one of the genociders)? Sounds like a pretty stupid theory.
Your premise is disingenuous and/or purposefully limited. You're artificially pegging the value of voting against a single issue outcome, but that's not how voting works. As previously stated by OC, there are a number of issues on the ballot. Your premise that votes are not important because they won't change the outcome of a single issue does not mean that we can extend that same to all other issues and nullify the value of voting altogether.
Also, OC's comment said nothing about anyone being required to vote, rather it's simply pointed out that anyone demanding you not exercise your only influence option does not have your specific best interests in mind.
So it's not the game theory fault, it's just you think that genocide is acceptable.
Yeah no, sorry fascist, I'm not greenlighting or encouraging or voting for your genocide.
More importantly, IF THERE IS ONLY ONE ACCEPTABLE CHOICE, ITS NOT DEMOCRACY, IF YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED AN OPINION THAT ISNT STATE SANCTIONED, YOUR VOTE IS NOT YOUR VOICE.
My voice is that genocide is unacceptable, even as a lesser evil, as it never stops itself or limits itself. Jews weren't the main target of the Holocaust, in the beginning, it was socialists and communists, state enemies, and then the list grew. In every single case of genocide so far, once it gets momentum and gets approved by a populace, it just spreads until the offending nation is forcefully eliminated.
And we're seeing that. From Palestinians to now all arabs. I mean have you looked at your ideological twins on redd*t lately? I haven't seen that level of anti Arab hate from liberals since 2001, and Biden not only signing off on but actively sending troops to help Israeli expansion of their genocide is crazy.
So again, I'm not voting for your genocide, I don't support it, and I will protest you until I'm your victim or all of you are permanently out of power and afraid to ever admit you supported genocide.
Bud, take a deep breath and go for a walk. I'm not your enemy. Nor am I a fascist.
Your anger at your impotence, while understandable, is misdirected. I agree that the US veneer of "democracy" is thin at best and laughable considering the corpocratic influence and control of media, elections, and politics in the US. But you are still allowed to voice your choice without fear of consequence or repraisal from the government. That by definition makes it democratic.
If you voted to continue and expand genocide, you're a fascist. It doesn't matter whether you prefer the next victims be Mexican or more of those scary arabs you people hate.
Not what fascism is, but alright. You do you. Good luck with that moral superiority. I'm sure it'll make a real, tangible difference in the real world any day now.
You people have never been stopped by voting; as an aside you're right, fascism is just the combination of corporate and state power according to Mussolini. I'm sure that's where all fascists ended it right?
you people
Who exactly do you think I am, what do you think my beliefs are, and what are those opinions based on? And what in the ever loving fuck are you talking about with the rest of your comment?
My friend, you've lost the plot. The OC was about not letting others discourage you from voting, either through false equivalence or impotence-driven abstention. The fact that you somehow took that and turned into a misdirected diatribe against fascism, Mussolini, and the rest is impressive, if not sad.
You like all Trump and Harris voters, are a generic genocide supporting fascist. This is based on your multiple comments supporting Biden and Harris, as well as generic neoliberal "lesser evil" logic.
The rest of my comment makes sense in context, do reread your own comments to get caught up. Or don't. I'm really not sure I care what a genocide supporter does anymore.
Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. I disagree with your opinion that both Trump and Harris voters are genocide supporting fascists, but I can see how the rest of the logic fits if you start with that as your foundational principle.
I don't think that it should be about boycotting. I think it should be about supporting the candidate who best supports your values.