Ukrainian Neo-Nazi mocks Auschwitz victims
Ukrainian Neo-Nazi mocks Auschwitz victims
Social media users have called out a member of a nationalist Ukrainian brigade for posting images that appear to praise Nazi genocide
A Ukrainian Neo-Nazi soldier visited the Auschwitz death camp wearing a shirt quoting Hitler in order to mock the camp's victims. This is the type of truly fascist scum that billions and billions of US taxpayer dollars are going to fund and arm.
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it’s the equivalent of asserting the Wehrmacht of the Third Reich weren’t nazis because the SS was a separate institution and the majority of the German army conscripts weren’t SS or party members
No. Or better, it's not because I don't start from the same assumption as you do, which is that Ukrainian state is inherently Nazi.
any institution that allows nazis to openly organize and preach is by definition a nazi organization
This is a good point, although this definition cast quite a wide net as many countries have nazi organisations in the open (at least most Western countries). I don't think I would agree that most of those countries are nazi countries (assuming a state is an "institution").
That said, I think that Azov internal propaganda (that they are quite good at it) as been very focused on war effort, so "preaching" here is not as clear as it was during 2014 protests.
celebrate nazis like Bandera
I tried to explain elsewhere that this =/= nazism. I won't repeat myself.
There wouldn’t be reduction of their “identity” it’s would instead be elevated and given prestigious institutional status from which they can use to recruit and spread, which surprise is what has been happening, to the point we now got a nazi comfortable enough to go to Auschwitz and mock the victims of the Holocaust without any media backlash IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES, what do you think is going in Ukraine proper
This is a fair point of view, but I simply disagree with it. I think that the Nazi ideology of those radical group has been diluted into a much more Western-friendly narrative, and I think it will continue to do so.
a nazi comfortable enough to go to Auschwitz and mock the victims of the Holocaust without any media backlash IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES
I didn't even look on regional news, but honestly, this is an article about 2 people. I would hardly expect backlash for something like this. Maybe there have been local Polish news about this, have you looked?
I tried to explain elsewhere that this =/= nazism. I won't repeat myself.
Ok denying Banderism is a nazi ideology just makes you a nazi yourself, can't say I'm surprised
Easy way to wrap up a conversation. Shortcut it with a tautology and gg.
Plenty of nationalists consider Bandera a national hero (would you consider this Banderite? I would), and yet they have nothing in common with nazi Germany ideology. The fact that you refuse this fact at all because it doesn't fit in the simple scheme you created is unfortunate.
BTW, related to the article in question:
- I looked online and I couldn't find anything except 3 websites with the exact same content word-for-word. ( https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/world/ukrainian-neo-nazi-mocks-auschwitz-victims/, https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/ukrainian-neo-nazi-mocks-auschwitz-victims/, https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/274459960/ukrainian-neo-nazi-mocks-auschwitz-victims and the one posted - all from a single source).
- The screenshot of the Instagram story doesn't show the username of the user (only a polish flag), so I couldn't track it down.
- The tagged user in the story (
@anastasiiarooker) doesn't seem to exist when I search in Instagram.
These are all kinda suspicious. I have seen Nazis do all kind of shit (in Italy), so the content of the article doesn't surprise me at all, and yet the points above make it suspicious to say the least. Did you manage to verify any of the information? I assumed it was truthful because I found it believable, but I now have doubts.
EDIT: I found also this channel that quotes the news (in Spanish). The link to Instagram they report to verify the news is broken -> https://www.instagram.com/khran1t3ltv0eytayni/
Plenty of nationalists consider Bandera a national hero
What are the reasons they consider him a "national hero" what did he do while he was alive, what did he advocate for?
and yet they have nothing in common with nazi Germany ideology
Are you claiming the Banderist movement did not collaborate with the Nazi regime that occupied Ukraine? This is your last and final chance to start engaging on this topic with some honesty and rigor before I press the report button on your nazi ass
Excellent posting.
Bandera led the OUN-B. The OUN-B collaborated and essentially became an arm of the Nazi party in Ukraine on the eve of the invasion, and attacked in the rear of the Red Army. This is all info available on Wikipedia. Don't even have to open a book.
Their actions, both sanctioned and unsanctioned by the Nazis, were ones of antisemitism, Ukrainian ethnic superiority, anticommunism, and assisted in the German exterminations in eastern Europe. Not in common with Nazi ideology is that their targets didn't include themselves as Slavs (obviously).
As far as I'm concerned this is a distinction without difference.