Speaking from general life experience, a lot of those fans are potential victims of the same treatment themselves minors/women
So if you have a child or friend that speaks like that, it is a red flag to pay closer attention to the people they build relationships with and their behavior. I'm not talking about protecting kids from drugs and sex, I mean protect them predators and abuse.
Fool me one, shame on you, fool me 35 times shame on... that's really the stance you want to take? Seems sus alright, but trust and verify is for cold war movies.
If none of the accusations go anywhere then yeah that's a bit sus on the case of the accusers. I get that those things are hard to prosecute but 35 cases and nothing to show for it? Sus.
And somehow none of them having nothing to show for it in court, hmm. I feel like that's less likely, considering how easy it is to accuse (especially anonymously). I guess it all depends on the what sort of accusations they are and how detailed, if the facts seem plausible etc. If it's 35 very credible accusations from people speaking out in their own name, uh oh, that sounds pretty bad. If it's 35 pretty vague seeming accusations on Twitter from anonymous accounts, ehh I'll definitely wait for something more concrete. And after all in court you'd only need one of them to succeed for all of them to seem credible, but with none of them succeeding, I'm starting to doubt the accusations.
It really comes down to ‘that’s the default setting for most of humanity.’
Here on Lemmy, we like to think we’re all very tolerant, enlightened, liberal minded people. But the outside world really isn’t quite as open minded. And there’s way more backwards troglodytes out there than we like to think.
When I found out about the guy from Crystal Castles 10 years after the fact... Yea major bummer. Sucks he's a POS and the things he's done, and the cherry on top is now I can't enjoy their music again.
…oh no. I’ve listened to him for ages. And due to a shitty shuffle I ended up with high listening hours. I remember his first handle and just told myself it was regarding the slang for cigarette. I’ll be going down this rabbit hole, thanks for the heads up
Rammstein isn't metal it's NDH. The Genre does have metal influence but you could just as well call it Industrial Punk (in particular in regards to Rammstein). There's plenty of groove metal in there if you know what to listen for but this doesn't sound anywhere close to Pantera.
I know rammstein isn’t metal. Lots of people consider them metal though. And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people. A lot of people. That’s why I asked.
And I didn’t say they were right wing, but the band did get in a lot of trouble in the last few years over sexually abusing people
It was alleged that. What's true is that there were plenty of 0-row aftershow parties with plenty of drugs and sex involving Till. Which is problematic in itself but as it seems (if we take the state attorney's conclusions as gospel truth) nothing non-consentual went on. What's left is allegations by two women who, as far as I'm aware, never themselves filed criminal complaints (which would expose them to possible false accusation charges).
What I took away from the whole thing is that Till is a creepy yet decent hedonist and it's good that he's got pushback over his behaviour, but it's also not a thing he should be crucified for. He's not 20-something any more, he should understand iffy consent mechanics when it comes to 20-something groupies better at his age.
Sadly it is harder for me to take "He has allegations!" seriously because there are too many instances in modern days where Twitter went after people who had no real evidence against them or were found innocent...
People like Vinesauce Vinny who had his own sexual abuse scandal, and I know there were some FNF modders who were accused of being groomers, but then it kept turning out that they just made a sexual joke on Discord and the rumor mill just ran with it.... Oh and there was the scandal with Mandopony, but then two police investigations turned up nothing... Casting considerable doubt on the "evidence collected"
Admittedly I'm talking more about e-celebs, some metalhead douche who's been playing guitar since before people were expected to be able to define consent probably actually did that shit. I mean, shit, I remember when people blamed Janet Jackson when a completely different person took her top off live at the Super Bowl.... and no that wasn't the 80's, that was 2003, What I'm saying is the standards for women being blamed for what happens to them has changed for the better, so it's mostly the older celebs I hold in greater suspect.
Another thing I'm saying is that false accusations hurt real victims.