TIL: There are several mass shooting lists for countries other than the US, on Wikipedia
I want to make it clear that I am in no way, downplaying the alarming amount of shootings that occur in the US. Just that it was engrossing to see so many accounts of mass shootings in other countries, spanning decades.
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The difference is that often times those countries are doing a lot to prevent those mass shootings and the cases where it still happens represents someone who broke several laws to facilitate an act of terrorism, rather than someone who faced next to no legal barriers to anything they did up until they pointed the gun they acquired into a crowd.
In other countries you'll be writing to patch the holes that the shooter exploited, while in the US we're literally facing militant opposition to the idea of there even being a wet paper towel for there to be holes in regarding legal barriers to excessive firearms and ammunition acquisition.
That's because there are more firearms in civ hands in the USA than there are in all the militaries combined. Unless you plan on going door to door and forcefully taking these firearms (even then, criminals are not going to hand them over) , no amount of laws will stop someone who wants to do harm with one from obtaining one and using it.
There is a lot of stuff we can do that'll drop our violence overall by helping our society.
We can start with:
Literally this entire comment is you forgetting buybacks are a thing that worked incredibly in other countries that did them.
Or grandfather policies for guns that can be proved to have been bought before regulations went into place.
Or just subsidizing adequate separated storage for firearms and ammunition.
Or even something as simple as titling and insuring weapons to close the gunshow loophole.
Literally this entire comment is you forgetting buybacks are a thing that worked incredibly in other countries that did them.
No they did not, the buy back they did in Australia, had a 60% rate. They also had a very small group of owners, 1million firearms in civ hands was the estimate...if 40% don't turn their firearms in it's still over 100million in civ hands. Buy backs do not work. Period.
Or grandfather policies for guns that can be proved to have been bought before regulations went into place.
Care to clarify this one? No one is shooting people with 1899 rifles.
Or just subsidizing adequate separated storage for firearms and ammunition.
Again how do you enforce this? And what makes you think criminals will follow these rules?
Or even something as simple as titling and insuring weapons to close the gunshow loophole.
You mean registration....good luck with that. And there is no gun show loophole. That's the dumbest shit ever. Private sales are still private sales. If an FFL sells at a gun show, you will have to pass a BG check.
Alright, let's dig into this hot mess,
literally provides example of buybacks working and removing a majority and change of all civlian owned firearms
"BuYbAcKs Do NoT wOrK. pErIoD."
If you have a gun a new law would make illegal it's immune to the new law so long as you can prove it was bought before the law, and you have to sell it directly to the buyback program only.
Same way as in Japan, random once a year visit from the local sherrifs/deputies to spot check everything is stored and accounted for in proper order. No different than kit inspection in the millitary.
Ah so you just don't know anything about what you're talking about and are upsetti spaghetti that your "literally even less effective than waving a literal security blanket in an attacker's face" security blanket firearm is being scrutinized. I'm picturing you sweating about how we must be aiming to take your coal roller next!
Alright, let's dig into this hot mess,
Yes please show us how your about to cram your foot into your mouth.
literally provides example of buybacks working and removing a majority and change of all civlian owned firearms
Well that's a strong start...you didn't provide shit showing buy backs work... I'll give you a second chance.
"BuYbAcKs Do NoT wOrK. pErIoD."
Ah the classic mocking camel casing, because you actually lack a coherent thought to type out. Really strong opening so far.
We'll use an anti gun source for this one:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/16/us/chicago-gun-buybacks/index.html
If you have a gun a new law would make illegal it's immune to the new law so long as you can prove it was bought before the law, and you have to sell it directly to the buyback program only.
What in the fuck does this even mean, can you use a comma or...Jesus I don't even know if a fucking comma is gonna help
Same way as in Japan, random once a year visit from the local sherrifs/deputies to spot check everything is stored and accounted for in proper order. No different than kit inspection in the millitary.
Lol so who's paying these people to go to every gun owners home? 1/3rd of Americans own a firearm(this is a debatable number because not everyone reports having them and you can get them without ever buying one from a store)...so who do you plan on hiring to go around and check on 90+ million firearm owners?
Ah so you just don't know anything about what you're talking about and are upsetti spaghetti that your "literally even less effective than waving a literal security blanket in an attacker's face" security blanket firearm is being scrutinized. I'm picturing you sweating about how we must be aiming to take your coal roller next!
Lol you might want to go read my other comments... you're arguing with someone on the left and not some idiot repub/conservative trumpist. I literally want federal law for abortion rights, single payer, legalizing all drugs, safety nets, UBI, reforming the police, ending qualified immunity, ending for profit prisons, paying teachers more, pro union, anti-right to work law, raising the minimum wage, pro LGBTQ+... basically everything the majority of the left agrees with... except I'm a die hard 2a supporter...armed minorities are harder to oppress.
None of your points have anything to do with guns.
I think having less guns in the hand of people would mean there’s less gun crime.
Not being able to open carry ever would help too.
Lol no shit, because guns aren't the issue, 85% of our homicides are from inner-city gang violence. There are 450+ million firearms in civ hands in the USA, if they where the problem you'd know.
Our society is broken, and we need to fix the root cause of our violence, not putting in bullshit laws that criminals will not follow anyways. Did you know that 3xs as many people are killed with knives than ALL rifles combined each year? And 2Xs as many via hands and feet(unarmed)? And that only around 50-100 people a year are killed with the AR-15 platform, this includes the police who kill 1k of us on average a year.
We do not have a gun problem. We've got a society problem and it can be corrected, we just need to have change.
The amount of mass shooting that happen in the states show that there is a gun problem.
Let me guess your going to bring up the gun violence archive right? Yeah we do not have anywhere near the amount claimed. Even motherjones and NPR called out the bullshit from these types of groups.
I only brought up the mass shootings that happen on a daily basis in the states.
Are you going to address that or are you going to continue to blame everything else?
We do not have mass shootings on a daily basis. Again that list has been proven bullshit.
647 mass shootings in the US in 2022.
I’m not mathematician but 647 is more than 365.
Yes the bullshit number. No we haven't had that many mass shootings.
It's well known that mother Jones is super far left, and even they call out the bullshit number. So while you aren't a mathematician, I do hope you're not a gullible person.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/no-there-were-not-355-mass-shootings-this-year/
Did you know that 3xs as many people are killed with knives than ALL rifles combined each year? And 2Xs as many via hands and feet(unarmed)? And that only around 50-100 people a year are killed with the AR-15 platform, this includes the police who kill 1k of us on average a year.
Did you conveniently forget handguns in your examples? The statistic shows that firearms are the most used tool for homicides by a huge margin.
Guns: 7936 Unspecified Firearms: 5704 Knives: 1630 Hands, Fists, Feet...: 665 Rifles: 541 ...
Also >50% of all suicides are commited via firearms
And we still haven't talked about all the accidents with guns...
The USA have several big fucking problems and firearms are a huge one.
Did you conveniently forget handguns in your examples? The statistic shows that firearms are the most used tool for homicides by a huge margin.
Nope because everyone seems to want to ban the scary black rifle first. It's why AWBs are constantly brought up.
Guns: 7936 Unspecified Firearms: 5704 Knives: 1630 Hands, Fists, Feet...: 665 Rifles: 541
Congrats for providing the info..I don't know what you are getting at with this. It's literally what I said it was.
Also >50% of all suicides are commited via firearms
No shit? Really? It's like we have an issue with suicide and not guns....go check out Japan's numbers which it's damn near impossible to obtain a firearm...they have a higher suicide rate than us. Wanna blame their rate on guns or something else?
And we still haven't talked about all the accidents with guns...
Uhh, more people are killed falling off tractors or drowning in pools than from firearm accidents...granted I don't call them accidents... it's negligence.
The USA have several big fucking problems and firearms are a huge one.
Naa, 450+ million firearms in civ hands, if there was a problem it'd be a lot bigger than the 40k deaths a year we have now, which as you said 50+% are suicides(it's closer to 66% btw).
Nope because everyone seems to want to ban the scary black rifle first. It's why AWBs are constantly brought up.
The discussion was clearly about firearms.
Congrats for providing the info..I don't know what you are getting at with this. It's literally what I said it was.
I added some context, mainly the fucking insane amount of handgun deaths. Btw, how many rifles do you think are in the unspecified Firearms category?
No shit? Really? It's like we have an issue with suicide and not guns
You have ton of problema and they are compounding. Easy access to guns leads to many impulsive suicides. Usa has a mental health AND an gun problem.
And you are deep in denial.
The discussion was clearly about firearms.
O...you don't know what the AWB is do you? I'm arguing with someone who has zero clue about the subject matter.
I added some context, mainly the fucking insane amount of handgun deaths. Btw, how many rifles do you think are in the unspecified Firearms category?
Uhh, again people know this. In fact this "shooting" still is showing no mass shooting motivation and these two juveniles and the others not caught used handguns. We %100 know handguns are the majority of what is used in crime. This isn't a news to anyone who actually knows the topic.
Also very few, why? Because we already know the majority of our firearm violence are via handguns. That unknown number isn't going to magically be all rifles.
You have ton of problema and they are compounding. Easy access to guns leads to many impulsive suicides. Usa has a mental health AND an gun problem.
Again, care to go check out Japan? Higher rate of suicide, no access to guns. I'm still waiting on why this is from you. Or are you going to continue to ignore basically everything I keep saying and triple down on the "it's the guns" bullshit.
And you are deep in denial.
Sounds like you are since you can't be bothered to actually give a fuck to understand what I've been writing up in this thread.
O...you don't know what the AWB is do you?
Assault weapons ban. I just don't know what this has to do with a discussion about way to many firearm deaths and mass shootings. It would be a step, but unless you also regulate handguns its not enough.
Just as a reminder, this comment by another user sparked your rant about rifles:
I think having less guns in the hand of people would mean there’s less gun crime.
So thats why I added the context of handguns.
In fact this "shooting" still is showing no mass shooting motivation and these two juveniles and the others not caught used handguns.
What are you referring to?
Again, care to go check out Japan?
Conservative Society, huge conformity pressure, stigma on mental problems and more factors lead to a high suicide rate. But without access to a quick and easy way to end your life it's harder to kill yourself.
Sounds like you are since you can't be bothered to actually give a fuck to understand what I've been writing up in this thread.
Yeah, you are the only one in this thread who understands it.
Assault weapons ban. I just don't know what this has to do with a discussion about way to many firearm deaths and mass shootings. It would be a step, but unless you also regulate handguns its not enough.
Because that's the first thing that gets pushed over and over. It's feel good virtue signaling that will do nothing to reduce our violence.
Just as a reminder, this comment by another user sparked your rant about rifles So thats why I added the context of handguns.
Cool, and as I pointed out, good luck trying to take them up.
What are you referring to?
The Kansas City gang shootout during the Superbowl parade. That's what has sparked these threads again.
Conservative Society, huge conformity pressure, stigma on mental problems and more factors lead to a high suicide rate. But without access to a quick and easy way to end your life it's harder to kill yourself.
So you can't answer the question then...they have a higher suicide rate and cannot get firearms at all. So is it the guns causing people to kill themselves or something else?
Yeah, you are the only one in this thread who understands it.
Naa plenty do, it's a list of things that would have actual impact on our violence problem, and not just our gun violence. But a good number of you don't like meaningful discussion that doesn't involve, ban all guns, because you have such a ignorant view of them that you'd rather have them Dems spend the political capital on trying to pass another AWB than try and get even the most minor things on that list pushed through.
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