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Evidence of Israel's unlawful use of white phosphorus in southern Lebanon as cross-border hostilities escalate

www.amnesty.org Evidence of Israel's unlawful use of white phosphorus in southern Lebanon as cross-border hostilities escalate

The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023.

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Evidence of Israel's unlawful use of white phosphorus in southern Lebanon as cross-border hostilities escalate

www.amnesty.org /en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlawful-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-southern-lebanon-as-cross-border-hostilities-escalate/

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There UN source simply defines them at war, not genocide. Name a war that did not produce suffering. The UN source does not show that they are intentionally targeting a people, just that they are suffering as they target the elected Hamas government.
- Elected how many years ago? What was the average age in Gaza, again?
  If we want to talk about elected governments, the genocidal Israeli government has much more legitimacy in claiming it represents it's constituents.
  
  Literally no one is questioning Israel's legitimacy in government except Hamas. Nobody here in this thread is anyway.
  You still missed the point though as they are not doing collective punishment. Collateral damage is not collective punishment.
  
  The point was you keep mentioning Hamas as an elected government even though that is laughable at this point, whereas the people of Israel seem to be pretty on board with genocide.
  As for collective punishment, I think the entire population of Gaza has been suffering collective punishment for years, but certainly the moment Israel cut off food, power, and water they were engaging in collective punishment. Like really obviously, you'd have to be either really dumb or really dishonest to say otherwise.
  
  He’s Israeli, it’s in his material interests to pretend his country isn’t doing exactly what they publicly admit they’re doing.
  
  I agree that Hamas should not be the government of Palestine and that the people would have difficulty removing them even if they wanted them gone. Who do you suggest should do it? I still do not understand what the legitimacy of the Israeli government has to do with the legitimacy of the Palestinian one.
  Israel is at war right now. Certainly, the literal laws have changed to that of armed conflict. Making claims against it that do not cite international laws that they are signatory to are irrelevant. I don't think understanding the legal status of the conflict is me being dumb or dishonest. It certainly shows that I may not be talking on the same level of education or experience. That's the funny thing about the internet. You never really know exactly who or what you are talking to.
  
  Hamas became the leadership in Gaza because Isreal funded religious extremism that became Hamas to oppose the PLO, part of which was the secular democratic socialist Fatah party led by Yassar Arafat.
  Isreal is responsible for the violence and more violence will not end this conflict unless genocide is the goal.
  
  So, that's why relations immediately soured between them when the election was over? There is no possibility at all that what you are saying was the intended result or effect of Israel even if true.
  This narrative is also completely fabricated to decrease Palistinian autonomy. Yasser Arafat's death is largely considered to be what caused the instability. Your narrative only works to continue the narrative that the Palistinians should not have a sovereign state more than any distrust of Israel.
  
  This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

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