Russia preparing for confrontation with Europe, EU's von der Leyen says
Russia preparing for confrontation with Europe, EU's von der Leyen says
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Kinda weird anyone's worried I've seen sims of eurofighters vs Su-57 felons and the eurofighters beat Russias newest stealth fighter with even numbers.
Russias a pure non threat right now militarily all they can really do is threaten Nukes and if they did it's over for them.
I'd say Both Russia and the US are in major decline right now and we should just give Ukraine enough support to keep embarrassing them. Not sure Im for invading Russia directly unless they attack a Nato member.
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Not sure Im for invading Russia directly unless they attack a Nato member.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly the attitude Russia is counting on. Personally I think it's time we start treating propaganda and disinformation aimed at destabilizing other countries as literal acts of war on par with physical attacks.
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Kinda weird anyone's worried I've seen sims of eurofighters vs Su-57 felons and the eurofighters beat Russias newest stealth fighter with even numbers.
Can you elaborate one what kind of simulation you've seen ? I wouldn't count on streamer playing DCS as an accurate intelligence source. And I wouldn't assume that when Russia send patrol close to the border of NATO (or NATO does-it close to Russia) they don't use 100% of their plane abilities, as soon as you turned on that top-secret radar jammer or have used your vectorial thrust in their full extent you can expect other nation to build counter-measures.
Also, even assuming it's worse than Rafale/Eurofighter, it's way above Insurgent who mounted a machine gun over a toyota pick-up that western armies are used to fight against. We're in a political movement where western European public opinion aren't accepting much soldier coming home in a pinewood box. While it's a a handful of soldiers per year, mostly special forces, it doesn't drag too much media attention nor political reaction. But simply shooting a truck convoy or ammunition warehouse, and killing a dozen of 20 years old kids who joined the army to learn a trade and not to see actual combat (Spoiler alert, if you join the army, even as a cook or an accountant, you sign a contract where you accept to die in combat) I can see a huge political shitstorm coming, especially considering the weight of pro-Russian politicians in western Europe (Ms Le Pen, We see you)
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You can probably find on of them on YouTube I think it was by grim reapers but yeah they set everything up as accurately as they can and set the ais to the same high level.
Then just watch how it plays out. The meteor missiles on the eurofighter are just much better in truth longer range, faster and they can spam more of them.
The Felon is stealthier but it doesn't save it.
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Simulations using what data? Who conducted them? Under what conditions?
Stop underestimating Russia. It only benefits Russia. Do you want the EU to not rearm giving Russia the advantage?
This feels like when someone involved in the F-16 program stated the MiG-21 would be able to defeat the F-35.
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Simulations like Dcs using all known data also they only have about 6 of those planes anyways. Russian equipment is a joke they are using donkeys in Ukraine ffs.
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Su-57 is not in DCS. Not without modding done by random people on the internet. LOL.
Lets look at actual data.
The Su-57 is the only fighter jet in service that has DIRCM. This provides it with protection against IR-guided missiles. These would be the main threat to the Su-57. This is because the Su-57 has a very low RCS meaning radar-guided missiles would have a hard time targetting it.
We know the Su-57 has a very low RCS thanks to radar scattering simulations. It is slightly less stealthy compared to an F-35 but still far more stealthier compared to 4th generation aircraft like the Eurofighter Typhoon. An F-35 would only be capable of seeing the Su-57 on its radar 30 miles away. The Su-57 would actually be able to spot the F-35 sooner due to its L-band radar which the F-35 lacks. RAM has no effect against L-band radar. The L-band radar can provide the rough location of the F-35 allowing the Su-57's X-band radar to use that rough location to guide a concentrated set of beams towards the area to accurately detect the target and guide a missile against it. People like to bring up the Patent but the Patent explicity stated the RCS did not account for RAM.
People like to bring up the lack of an S-duct. The Su-57 solves this problem with the use of a radar blocker.
The Su-57 also has the deepest internal weapons bays out of any fifth generation aircraft. It can carry four air-launched cruise missiles (specifically the Kh-69 and Kh-59MK2).
Su-57 as stated earlier also has L-band radar unlike other fifth generation aircraft which means its radar-guided missiles are actually a threat to stealth aircraft unlike the F-35's radar-guided missiles.
This is not to say the Su-57 can ace the entire F-35 fleet. The F-35 was made that way on purpose. It is a single-engined aircraft (meaning less capable but cheaper) allowing Western countries to have a shit load of them. The Su-57 is more akin to the F-22. A twin engined high performance but expensive aircraft. Despite this, Russia is actually not that outnumbered in terms of fifth generation aircraft if you do not include the US. Including the US, the West has over a thousand of them compared to the mere dozens Russia has.
Russia also has more than 6. Production peaked at 12 per year with Russia having 21 serial produced aircraft. Russia did open another production facility which will double production to 24 per year.
they are using donkeys in Ukraine ffs.
The German Armed Forces still uses donkeys for transporting equipment in rugged terrain. The German Army even issues an entire handbook for the use of donkeys in combat. The US military also used unpaid donkey slaves in Afghanistan due to the rugged terrain and also used donkeys in Iraq.
Donkeys are being used because of mud season.
The Ukrainians also use animals:
Ukrainians using horse sleds as transport
Ukrainians riding on bicycles and horse carriages
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The Felon was bad enough they couldn't sell it full stop and production is already over at a handful of units. Yes the rcs was estimated but it still lost those sims despite having a much lower rcs than the Typhoon.
Point is it's probably the worst stealth plane in the world against a fighter like an f-35 or even a Chinese J-20 it wouldn't even launch a missile.
All Russian hyped tech has proven to be very bad when actually used is the point, they claim to be a superpower but they aren't and never will be again.
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Your simulations are literally random mods for DCS.
Production is not over. Russia plans to produce Su-57Ms this year. Su-57M upgrades the Su-57 with sixth generation technology including AI and drone integration.
Su-57 already received its first order from a foreign country. Algeria has ordered Su-57Es.
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By the time Russia makes any meaningful numbers the rest of us will be in Tempests, FCAS and NGAD. I'd be Suprised if they can make any more actually given it's 14 years old anyway and most people class it as 4.5 gen.
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By the time Russia makes any meaningful numbers the rest of us will be in Tempests, FCAS and NGAD.
Why should Russia produce its own NGAD when Su-57M already integrates 6th generation technology including AI and drones to the Su-57?
I’d be Suprised if they can make any more actually given it’s 14 years old anyway
What? You don’t make sense. Su-57 entered production in 2021 and production peaked in 2023 with 12 being produced. Russia started retooling the production facilities for Su-57M production in 2024 which is the reason why only 6 were produced in 2024. Russia constructed a new production facility made entirely for Su-57M production. This means production should at least double to 24 per year. Although it will probably more than double to maybe 36 or more per year as the Su-57s had to share the assembly line with Su-35s in the first production facility.
most people class it as 4.5 gen.
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