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Who owns the boats?

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Just had a look at used sailing boats in Norway and there are a fair number for under $10 000. Basically cheaper than a used car or camper. I'd have one if I had somewhere to keep it.
- That's the real kicker. a place to moor your boat is often more expensive and even then maintenance costs will be a lot.
- Cheap to buy maybe, but expensive to moor and maintain. A friend who bought a small second-hand yacht said his new hobby was tearing up £20 notes in a cold shower.
  
  They say the two happiest days in a boat owners life are the day they buy their boat and the day they sell their boat.
- IIRC the rule of thumb for boat costs, is that annual upkeep costs for a boat are roughly the purchase price of the boat.
  
  That's wildly inaccurate, even as a rule of thumb. Upkeep (excluding storage, which varies widely by location) shouldn't be over 10% of the purchase price, unless the boat was really cheap or the boatyard doing the maintenance is crooked.
  Talking US rates here, I have no experience overseas.
  
  Fair I have zero experience owning a boat. However, if I bought a boat for $10K and my annual upkeep was only $1K I'd certainly be thrilled.
- Holy shit used cars must be expensive in Norway. I live in Estonia and my first used car was 550 euros 10 years ago. Nowadays the same model (early 90s Audi) could probably be had for 900-1100.
  The thing to consider is that while my crappy old Audi received less than 200 euros in maintenance and repairs in the first year, yachts are said to cost you roughly 10% of the initial purchase price per year in maintenance and mooring costs and I doubt those under 10k yachts were 10k new.
  
  You can get a car that runs for around €3000 in Bergen or Oslo, but used cars get progressively more expensive the further north you go. But getting work done on a car is the expensive thing. I payed around €5000 for my car 3 years ago and last year I spent €3000 getting it passed the control. The problem is that Norway has a harsh coastal climate (salt spray, constantly going above and below freezing etc), and shit roads outside of Oslo. I've broken 2 springs, cracked my oil sump, and punctured a tyre just because of shitty roads. And because Norway is outside the EU we pay toll on everything we order from outside Norway, which is most things (including car parts) because Norway doesn't actually produce anything).
  
  I mean most of that is the same here in Estonia. Have to work on your own cars if you're buying used. We salt the roads and getting work done is expensive. Though I did not know you guys had tolls for EU goods, I thought being in the EEA took care of that.
  
  Nah we just have to follow EU regulations without any of the benefits or ability to influence policy.
  
  Interesting, toll.no calculator says there's no toll on car parts, period. Wikipedia says there's no toll (customs fees) on EU goods other than food and beverages (which EU subsidises so they would be too cheap for Norwegian market otherwise)
  Do you perhaps mean the 25% VAT? Most countries have that and it's not specific to imports. If I go to a grocery store and buy milk, that includes 22% VAT in the price. It's just that when you order from abroad, you may have to declare values and pay VAT and if the store you ordered from did a fuckup and paid VAT to their own country instead of declaring that they sold to Norway, you might get double taxed.
  
  Ok, I just looked it up on the post office website and it seems you're correct. I guess it must have been changed recently.
  
  Well then, you're now free to drive shitboxes until ICEs are completely banned!
  It's fun, frustrating and best of all, cheap as fuck until you stumble on the wrong shitbox (any mid 00s Audi for an example)
- I remember a craiglist post (from like 2000s) that was for a small boat. It was like $600 a month on a payment plan, or $30000 total.
  I was in college looking for a place to rent, just a bed. And I really thought about living on a small boat.
  
  It's possible to get a small boat (couple of berths, simple galley and a shitter) for around $5000 total in Norway. But as with all things this gets progressively more expensive the further north you go. But overall boats are not that expensive here because there are a lot of them. (Supply and demand)

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