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Trump says Ukraine 'should have never started it' in comments about war with Russia

www.nbcnews.com Trump says Ukraine 'should have never started' war in Ukraine

Trump made the remark while deriding Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, whose country was invaded by Russia in February 2022.

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How crazy that Americans aren’t embarrassed by this deadly lie.
- Nope, I'm incredibly embarrassed and scared
  
  Please consider becoming organized in your local communities, they will be essential in the coming months, and it is the most powerful act we can do to resist.
  https://infosec.exchange/@tinker/113589807117870451
  
  If only my local community didn't think Trump was being perfect and hurting all the right people right now
  May they all suffer and die as this shit gets worse, I will only laugh
  
  Do you think your laughter will ease your death?
  
  Sure will, yeah.
  
  I can't think of a more depressing, pathetic last thought than "told you so!"
  I really hope people do more with their lives than that.
  
  I want to agree, but I know it's not 100% and it's more important than ever to find your allies right now. They do exist wherever you live, they just might be a little harder to find.
  
  Woah now, organising within our local communities? that sure sounds like red commie talk - some guy, probably
  
  Shameless plug: !Civic_Engagement@sopuli.xyz
  
  What are you going to do about it?
  Edited to add, apparently this was an unpopular question.
  
  Like most people anywhere in the world, he's going to probably continue to be embarrassed and scared.
  
  What day dream do you have about doing something?
  
  Fucking nothing. We all know the answer.
  
  Wow you two know literally nothing about this dude other than he agrees this is embarrassing and this is how y’all react? Are you for real?
  
  Projection and insecurity often make people lash out.
  
  i hope that's not it. i'm learning from my ukrainian and georgian sisters and working to mitigate the harm our president is doing. many of us here in the states are organizing and preparing to fight for our survival and to sabotage the fascist dictators who have taken over. we aren't everyone but we're trying to propagandize the value of these efforts. the trouble is we're very distinctly on our back foot given the access to violence our dictators have via the military
  
  We have access to violence, too. Look what the resistance folks are doing in Ukraine— sabotage, destruction of infrastructure, info systems hacking. First things first, stop being scared of these things and realize that reality calls for them. Second, if you are going to do something, NEVER discuss it, especially online.
  
  yeah. part of my point is people need to realize the specifics of what we're doing are never going to be discussed where you can see. but we're not up to nothing
- I’m ashamed to be American.
- Those of us that are embarrassed are outnumbered by the selfish idiots who could vote but didn't and the hate-filled who believe his lies.
  Without an absolute seismic shift in American media and politics or a very massive and probably vert violent revolution, the county is done for.
- Don't presuppose my embarrassment. I have been embarrassed for as long as I can remember.
- nearly half, or more than half, depending on the politics of the non voters, are embarrassed by this line
  
  Trump won votes from less than a third of registered voters. I’m certain more than half of us are outraged.
  
  Trunk didn't win.
  Musk cracked the election counters.
  Trump admitted...shit...Trump bragged to explicitly that in the "inauguration" speech.
  He's traitor and a this is literally treason.
- Crazy!
  Or, maybe they are. And this is just an ignorant hot take.
- Says who? We're not a monolith like any other group. I voted Harris and every day for me has been a waking nightmare.
- I mean, plenty of people are. But I think you've got about four groups here:
  Supporters. These people are angry at the world and feel like it's ripped them off and that Trump is gonna make things better.
  Means-to-an-end types. These guys probably would rather not, all else held equal, have Trump saying Trump things, but if it gives them power to get what they want through -- e.g. tax policy changes, labor regulations, slashing government services, etc -- it's an acceptable trade. I think that a considerable portion of Republican Party politicians fit into this camp. It's not that Trump doing this is desirable, but it's that he's managed to get voters to give them power to do what they want...and those voters probably in aggregate don't actually want their policies and would not actually otherwise vote them the political power to do what they want.
  In this country, Mr. Bentley, the man who gives victory in battle is prized beyond every other man.
  --- Prince Feisal, Lawrence of Arabia
  People who are indeed embarrassed.
  People who don't really think or care or often know all that much about the outside world. They're just off doing their thing. Go back to 2014, and here are a bunch of Americans asked to locate Ukraine on a world map: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/ https://archive.is/Lr0Ez
  Like, most people in the US really don't care that much about the international stage; it doesn't usually play a huge role in domestic politics. Most people don't have a great handle on what NATO is, what exactly the UN is, where most countries in Europe are, aside from maybe a handful of major countries. And once the Cold War ended, the American public's attention to Europe fell off: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/08/americans-opinions-of-nato/
  Americans have a varying level of knowledge about where NATO members are located, the organization’s central focus and Ukraine’s nonmember status. A majority (56%) can correctly identify Europe and North America as the two regions from which the alliance draws membership. And about half (51%) recognize promoting the security of its members as a central tenet of the alliance. Fewer (41%) are able to correctly identify Ukraine as a nation that is not a member of NATO.
  Overall, 30% of Americans answered all three NATO knowledge questions correctly. About a fifth each answered two correctly (19%) or one correctly (20%). And 31% of U.S. adults did not answer any question correctly (including the share who chose “Not sure” at least once alongside incorrect answers).
  Americans ages 65 and older are 20 percentage points more likely than those ages 18 to 29 to answer all three NATO knowledge questions correctly (38% vs. 18%). Previous Center research has found that older adults tend to have more knowledge of international affairs than their younger counterparts.
  Americans with more education are more likely than those with less to answer all three questions correctly: Half of those with a postgraduate education gave three correct answers, compared with 17% of those with a high school education or less.
  Notably, Democrats and Republicans were equally likely to answer all three questions correctly.
  People who knew more about NATO tended to have different views of the alliance than those who did not know as much about it. For example, 73% of those who answered all three quiz questions correctly believe the U.S. benefits from NATO membership, compared with 57% of those who answered no questions correctly.
- We are
- Oh, I was plenty embarrassed the first run around. The fact that I have to do it again is just...yea.
- A lot of us are ...
- I'm too paralyzed by fear to be embarrassed.
- Uhhh... How many residents of Gulf of Mexico's Northern Neighbors and Their Friends did you poll? I'm guessing the number is either zero or "enough to get the answer you wanted."
  We've grown beyond embarrassed. It's embarrassing when you're sat at a table with a child who loudly announces that they've shat themselves. But now we're at the point where that child hired their friends to hold you hostage while they rub shit on everyone else at the table.
  We still are a bit embarrassed, but now we're mostly disgusted, depressed, and terrified.
- Many of us are.

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