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That link doesn't even open, but I'm pretty sure "wearing gear" is different from "open proclamation", is it not? Is your ruski-translator on the fritz?
(edit it does open on mobile, some of my privacy and antiad settings prolly blocked it on pc, garbo us site. So just more shit about azov battallion. Wow. How exactly does one or two insane guys wearing some offensive tats in an insane battallion translate to "Ukraine political leadership openly proclaim they're nazis"?)
I asked for you to show me evidence of these Ukrainian officials PUBLICLY, OPENLY, PROCLAIMING THEY WANT TO ENFORCE NAZI IDEOLOGIES, because that is what you claim.
You're not anti-nazi. You're pro-Russian, you're pro-Putler. He's a dictator, a fascist, a huge cumstain. And you perpetuate his propaganda by claiming that his shitty and failing illegal attack on a sovereign nation is some heroic bullshit he's pulling to "save the world from nazism".
Honestly, like, we can't have a conversation. Your rhetoric is directly from the 70's CCCP playbook and it's just sooooo shite. You don't see it, because you don't have the capacity to recognize proper rhetoric.
So to make clear, even if we assumed your schizophrenic bullshit is true, you say you're not pro-Russian only "anti-nazi" (dogwhistle for people licking Putler's dick and trying to say Ukraine is in the wrong to defend itself) you recognise that Russia broke international law by invading Ukraine so Russia needs to be punished for that and Putler needs to be brought to justice for the crimes against humanity they have committed in Ukraine? You accept and would personally bring Putler's pathetic ass to justice if you could? You are anti-fascist, aren't you?
You went from "Ukraine president openly vows he's a nazi and I have video to prove it!" to "Here's a link that doesn't work that doesn't even remotely talk about what we were talking about, which is someone OPENLY PROCLAIMING something instead of having a symbol that Russia pretends is nazi.
You'd probably think I'm a Nazi as well because of what's on my beret huh? Unfortunately for you, it just means I'm trained to lead people while fighting Russians, not that I'm a Nazi. (im gonna edit to add the photo from mobile)
- I believe Elon Musk throwing a Nazi salute is his open declaration that he is a Nazi. I believe Ukrainian politicians erecting monuments of Nazis is an open declaration that they are Nazis. I believe you proudly wearing Nazi symbols on your uniform is an open declaration that you are a Nazi.
  Despite what every fascist man-child would like people to believe, it’s actually very, very easy to not look like or associate yourself with Nazism.
  Nazi lives don’t matter.
  
  You not understanding history doesn't mean everyone is "openly declaring as a Nazi."
  Elon is.
  Zelensky is not.
  And my symbol means I've graduated from AUK, meaning if you dirtbags try your asinine bullshit further up north, I'll be commanding the squad putting a bullet between your eyes., you pretentious Putler loving fuck.
  Nazi lives don't matter, which is why I won't feel bad defending Finland from invading Ruskis.
  The reason Musk — the Nazi — is involved in US government currently is because Putler made people like you spread this sort of asinine bullshit and the Americans are so poorly educated it actually worked and Trump won.
  
  How do you know Elon is a Nazi?
  You’re comfortable calling him a Nazi for the salute, but not convinced the people erecting monuments of Nazis might also be one themselves?
  
  Like I said, your rhetoric is straight up garbage. It's sort of pitiful to me to that you don't see it. This feels like fighting a 12-year old. It's just not fair.
  All you have is your honestly pathetic bullshit about random vague "leadership of Ukraine" openly proclaiming (you might need a refresher course on English) to be Nazis and when pressed for any evidence you have none.
  Then when I ask you about anything, you have to pretend you didn't even see it. It's just... so childish. And not in a cute way. In a "6-year old who's still breastfeeding" way.
  The point is you're a Russian who supports Putler and you're trying to lie your head off because you can't admit that you guys are the baddies, you broke international laws, you keep doing crimes on humanity and Ukraine is clearly the good guy, although obviously no-one is perfect. But to think that you'd pretend you're arguing that it's wrong that Ukraine defends itself from Russias illegal invasion because... some guys in one battalion have Nazi-tattoos? You do know that Russia is taking rapists, murderers and other scum directly from prison to fight, I'm sure. Yet you won't be able to answer that.
  You're quite as pathetic as @davel@lemmy.ml
  You still pretending I'm a Nazi because you don't know Finnish military history? Huh?
  Do you think Russia was right in breaking international law and violating Ukraine's sovereignty with their war of aggression? No? You don't think it wrong and you can't even say that, because you're afraid someone from the government might see your social media history and you might "fall out a window"?
  
  I come with sources. You come with name calling, and an iron cross. You think you’re advocating your position well?
  
  Which sources and for what exactly?
  You claim "Ukrainian politicians are openly proclaiming to be Nazis and wearing Nazi symbols".
  I press you on that. You produce an article of some people in the batshit crazy — and already controversial even in Ukraine — Azov battalion having Nazi tattoos, as if that means jack shit. Russia employs literal rapists, murderers and the criminally insane to fight for it, because it's running out of Orcs. Why does that not mean the Russian leaders are as bad? (Although, they are, but not because of that.)
  Then you start going on about Musk.
  Then you pretend like I'm a Nazi because you pretend like the Finnish AUK cross is "Nazi insignia". (What are you, 12? :D)
  Then you start going on about some random statues for "Nazi heroes" or something. And the "source" you probably have is going to turn out to be some weird niche statue somewhere of a historically controversial figure and not an actual Nazi like Göebbels or something. Meanwhile, just like I said, you keep pathetically avoiding answering whether you're pro-Russian. Because everyone knows you are and you're just crying because you guys are super sore losers and you're losing your pathetic "special military operation" 10-0.
  
  I’ve said I’m not pro-Russia multiple times. The insistence by multiple comments here saying opposing Nazis in Ukraine is pro-Russia, says more about you than the people you’re accusing.
  
  Ah, so you acknowledge that Russia broke international law by invading Ukraine and Putin and other Russians are responsible for the crimes against humanity they've committed? Good.
  
  Yeah. At the same time I can acknowledge that the puppet government in Ukraine and NATO spent years goading them into that war. Every foreign policy expert warned it was a bad idea. Even war criminal Kissinger said the US/NATO were leading us into a disastrous proxy war years before it happened.
  That “other Russians” has me worried. Stinks of justification for violence against civilians.
  
  At the same time I can acknowledge that the puppet government in Ukraine and NATO spent years goading them into that war.
  "They started it! They goaded us so ofc we're allowed to do a full-scale invasion."
  Fucking... what?
  The invasion is illegal. Against international law. And during it, Russia has broken several other international laws, committed crimes against humanity. And your answer is "well, uh, what about NATO?"

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