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Don't forget where we came from and what shaped us as a species. The Jungle.

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So be the change, Uriel238! You are against suffering, slavery and destruction of our resources? Against the greedy elite who brutaly and recklessly exploit the weak instead of protecting them? (See what I did there?)
Stop paying for dead animal parts next time you're shopping at the supermarket! It feels really good to not take part in this evil system of misery and annihilation.
I know veganism is not the only solution, but no solution will ever be enough without it. Plus it's the easiest Fuck You to the ruling class, while we wait for a revolution.
- Dude, I already have doubts if I am worth my footprint, if we're going to think in transactional terms. It's easy to decide if cutting out meat is the only way I can make a difference, then why not cut out everything else as well? Should people kill themselves in order to spare nature the cost of their upkeep?
  When we talk about the generation of greenhouse gasses, and the rising global average temperature, companies pollute in a day (in some cases, an hour) what humans produce across their lifetime. US suicides (49,000 per year, as of 2022, and rising with hate-crime and rampage killing rates) are barely a blip.
  Maybe folks in the alt-right believe that human lives, at least the ones they don't like, are worth less than the resources they consume, but a lot more believe the lives are worth the food and poop,, which is, again, insignificant to the ever-burning fires of industry.
  Quitting meat doesn't stick it to the man in any significant way, any more than self immolation does.
  
  Quitting meat will lead to a little less suffering, destruction and exploitation. It costs you just some self-reflection and a change of habit. But Uriel238, obviously a fellow leftist, refuses this. He wants others to change first. But they, as you said, also will not. Prisoners dilemma, crab mentality.
  
  Quitting meat will lead to a little less suffering, destruction and exploitation.
  https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=%7EOWID_WRL
  that doesn't work
  
  Meat is a luxury for the rich worldwide. In China, more and more people are living the standard of living that we have been exemplifying for decades. Here in Germany, meat consumption is falling sharply and that is important and good. I can't force the world to do anything, I can only take responsibility for my own actions and ask others to do the same. Because it's the right thing to do, and I'm sure you feel that too.
  
  since you clearly understand that you were lying, you should just apologize for the lie instead of trying to explain it away.
  your second link relies heavily on poore nemecek 2018, a study I don't trust to tell me the co2e of co2.
  I do take responsibility for my actions. I'm not responsible for what others do.
  
  I honestly don't understand. Where did I lie?
  
  Quitting meat will lead to a little less suffering, destruction and exploitation.
  
  But where did I lie?
  Muscle tissue needs to be cut from a dead animal. If you eat it, you pay for their exploitation and suffering with your money. You pay for destruction (deforestation, lakes of shit, you name it) as well. If you don't, it doesn't happen, so it's your choice.
  
  You pay for destruction (deforestation, lakes of shit, you name it) as well
  no I don't.
  
  If you don't, it doesn't happen, so it's your choice.
  I don't pay for any of this, but even if what you are saying is true (it's not), it's pretty clear that you don't eat meat, but those things happen anyway.
  
  They happen because everyone else still does. It won't stop until you stop. I'm too old for this, bye.
  
  you pay for their exploitation and suffering with your money
  nobody's paying for suffering. if the animal did suffer, the person involved is paid long before I decide what I'm eating.
  
  If you eat it, you pay
  not necessarily. You're making a leap of logic.
  
  Yes, of course, the revolution hinges entirely on my behavior and no one else's.
  Your unquantified adjectives are doing a fuckton of heavy lifting. Tread lightly, qualified-friend, you are one step away from a block. Think of me whatever you will, but your manipulative bullshit will not be tolerated beyond this warning.
  
  Hey, I don't want to insult or manipulate you. I don't want to get blocked as well. I'm just arguing for responsibleness and compassion, which i think is really important right know.
  What you feel might be Cognitive Dissonance, the BBC wrote a great article about it. I felt it as well, I wasn't born a vegan. Thanks for the debate.

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