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Mainly spreading awareness of what's going and exposing the flawed logic and lies in pro-Israeli propaganda since the very start and pointing out the hypocrisy of those who empower the Genociders by supporting politicians who knowingly and actively give them military support. (To the point that I've actually received e-mails in my native language from a Tel Aviv based organisation inviting me to a "learn about Israel" web course, which is funny 'cause I've never published my e-mail address here)
I'm also a member of a small party in the country I live in which is very loudly against the Israeli Occupation and the Israeli Genocide.
I keep on hammering against the whitewashing of the Democrat Genociders because their actions help normalized the support of Genocide and extreme racism in the US - they're supposed to be an alternative to the likes of Trump, the opposite not the "almost the same but a tiny bit less bad".
Democrats are supposed to walk towards Less Evil, thus opening up a political gap in the middle that also pulls the Republicans over towards Less Evil, but instead Democrats are walking towards More Evil, effectively making the baseline of American politics be Quite A Lot Of Evil and worsening, and supporting the normalization and even increasing extremism of the Evil in the Republican Party.
This isn't about the Present, because that war is lost and all that people have left is Resistance (and me not being in US means I can't be part of that), this is about the Future - if the Democrat leadership comes around to accept that their only chance is to actually be the opposite of Trump in actions, fighting for actual Principles, rather than merely be the slightly dissenting performative voice, then there is hope for improvement otherwise (as indicated by Trumps reelection after what he did last time in office) America is condemned to a cycle of presidents like Trump and worse.
People whitewashing Genocide-support as long as it's done by Democrats ain't gona push the Democrat leadership to start moving towards Less Evil.
"Spreading awareness." So getting on the internet and talking shit. Big fucking deal.
Have you spent even five minutes sending a form email and making a phone call? No, apparently not. You can very easily contact politicians in other countries, but you'd rather just sit on your ass and berate people.
And you are the one whitewashing genocide here. You have not spent two seconds discussing what is going to happen to Palestinians and you clearly don't care since they're just pawns in your game.
Re-read my post.
I'm actually in a political party that actually fights against that shit, busy campaigning in elections, participating in party conferences and even manning election booths, not busy whitewashing the Genocide support of my favored pro-Genocide political party whilst sending letters to a leadership that couldn't give a rat's arse about what I think because I'm supporting them where it counts no matter how evil they act, so they have no reason to change tack away from Evil-doing.
By providing comfort and support to politicians that militarilly support an ongoing Genocide, you're indirectly supporting Genocide, at the very least because those politicians won't change if they're supported not mater what, so you're making sure they remain supporting Genocide whenever they have a chance.
Absolutelly, compliment the leadership of your party on the things they do right (not merelly what they say) AND chastise them on the things they do wrong like supporting the mass murder of children because they're from a "human animal" ethnicity.
I'm starting to think the difference between us is that I'm driven by Principle - I don't live in America, I don't live in Palestine, I'm safelly in Europe on the opposite side of the continent from Russia, I could just ignore the butchering in Palestine or the butchering in Ukraine because, hey, "I'm Alright Jack", but I won't because that shit is wrong, and I don't mean just a bit wrong, I mean "getting way too close to Nazi-level wrong" - whilst you are driven by the fear of what can happen to your daughter in Trump's America, which is understandable but is not Principle, it's all about you and yours - a selfish reason, not just taking an stand on principle without gaining anything from it.
Maybe that's why I can't stand Mass Murderers, Genociders, Xenophobes and those who enable them, whilst you run around excusing them and thus doing your bit to enable them to carry on doing what they do - as long as they give you what you want for you and yours, You're Alright and fuck the rest!
"I support a political party" means you don't have to do any work. I spend hours on this, you don't do shit.
And if you're driven by principle, where's your principle of doing something rather than just berating people and voting? Because it's clear you're not motivated enough to take action on this despite your claim of hating genocide.
Also, who am I comforting and supporting? Name them. Unless that's a lie. Is it a lie?
Edit: That's what I thought, no answers, just downvotes.
Right, you believe whatever fantasy you want about me whilst ignoring what I actually wrote.
You're all over the threads here berating people who dare criticize the Democrat Party Leadership for supporting the Genocide. That's supporting said Democrat Party Leadership on that specific subject - whilst you don't say you're in favor of the Genocide, you're definitelly implying that their support for the Genocide "isn't all that bad", hence indirectly you're supporting the Genocide.
If you can't see how defending their actions (even if only by framing them as "Trump is worse", as if Evil-doing is alright as long as somebody else is even more Evil) is giving them the comfort of knowing they can stay their course and remain in power within the Democrat Party (and, once every 4 or 8 years, get their hands on the power of the State), then I suggest you relocate some of those hours to reading books on Psychology, maybe get a part-time office job in a big company (try Finance, it's full of Sociopaths so pretty close to the upper echelons of a major political party) and get familiar with how that kind of people think because you're definitelly just another useful idiot from their point of view.
You're playing Defense for the kind of people who, if you had any Principles, you would be trying to get replaced, so de facto you're supporting them.
Saying nothing either way would've been a more neutral position with regards to the Genocide than playing defense for people supporting a Genocide with weapons and ammo.
(Seemingly) unlike you, even in the party I am a member of I am critical of the leadership when they do wrong things, because I'm there not for the love of the party, I'm there because my principles align with the ones of the party, for the purpose of fighting for those principles, and that does include criticizing the party leadership when they stray away from those principles. I did the same thing back when I lived in Britain and was a member of the Green Party over there.
I don't have tribe loyalty nor am I (nowadays) deferential to the "leaders" (having actually met them, in my mind they're human rather than celebrities, and speaking with the local member of parliament when we were campaigning was quite the eye openner), so my points are entirelly guided by Principle.
From your posts it looks a lot like tribalism guides your points more than Principle.
I read everything you wrote. You said you have done nothing that takes any effort whatsoever.
But you do make it clear that you care a whole hell of a lot more about American politics than you do Palestinians. Being a member of a party means nothing. Anyone can join a party. It takes seconds.
Also, this is just a lie:
whilst you don’t say you’re in favor of the Genocide, you’re definitelly implying that their support for the Genocide “isn’t all that bad”, hence indirectly you’re supporting the Genocide.
What I am saying and not implying is that this political argument is totally unimportant and has been since November. Meanwhile you have done nothing to help Palestinians that requires you to get off your ass.
American politics is what's at the one end of the chain of things which at the other end is causing the situation on Palestine to be what it is.
It sure isn't going to be my home nation of Portugal that forces a change in the actions of Israel when there is bipartisan "unwavering" support in the United States for the Genocide.
All I can do is get involved in Politics locally and fight against it here (which I am doing!) including fighting for maximum decoupling from the US by the EU, and get on my soap box and criticize Genociders and these explicitly and tacically supporting them, wherever they are, all the while tribalist types playing defense for "their" bunch of Genocide supporters criticize me for "caring about
<insert country>
politics".I don't care about any of the parties in the US political system on their own, I care about what your country is doing that affects everybody (even people in America) and that means I care about the normalization of defending evil-doers in America "as long as they're our guys" because that just leads to even more evil doing in America and from America - if you think the Past is bad and the Present is worse, imagine a Future were the Sociopaths at the top of the Democrat Party have also (alongside the Republican sociopaths) concluded that if ethno-Fascism in Israel and Palestine if fine and does not impact btheir chances at electoral success, then it's fine too in America - get really familiar with that scenario because that's what chosing lesser evil with no dissent mathematically leads to given enough cycles when there is no upper bound for greater evil.
If tomorrow you guys turned extreme isolationist and stopped interfering in the rest of the World go right ahead and do whatever the fuck you want with your politics: stop the collateral damage of your polical system like the mass murder of innocent children half a World anyway and nobody outside the US will have reason to care about all the defending of "our guys" doing Evil going on over there and how that defense today will cause more Evil with effects all over the World tomorrow.
If it wasn't for the 340 million human beings over there most of whom would not deserve it, the US disappearing from the face of the planet tomorrow would be a good thing, but since that's not going to happen (and ultimately, for the sake of those 340 million human beings, should never happen) all that's left is to somehow do what little a non-American in a distant land can do to influence American politics away from the whole tendency for Evil, and that's limited try and convince people on the Democrat Party to ditch the Evildoers from their leadership positions, since that sure ain't going to happen in the Republican Party.
Had I've been an American in America I would've been involved in politics at the local level by now because that's the only way the Democrat Party can get cleaned up - from bottom to top - but I'm not and YOU demanding that I do something which I have no power to do and stop doing the only thing I have the power to do, is fucked up and shows a lack of awareness of other people's constraints.
You don't have the power to make a phone call or send an email or mail a letter? Really?
Are you taking the piss or something???!
What exactly would me making a phone call or send a letter in Portugal actually achieve with regards to what's going on in Palestine?
I'm already doing what can make the most difference - I'm involved in Politics here (just as I was when I lived in Britain) campaigning for what I believe in and at the same time trying to convince people who actually have a lot more power than me on this subject (even though they themselves have very little power) to actually use it, that being Americans.
(Think about it: if in all this time preaching from my soapboax I convinced a single American to make a phone call, send an email or send a letter to their congressman expressing their concern about the situation in Israel I will have already done much more for Palestine than me making that call or sending that email or letter myself would ever do)
I mean, the long game were I do have more influence than Americans is to fight through my EU Parliament representatives to cut all commercial relations and alliances with the US and let you guys sink by yourselves in your post-Imperial collapse phase without dragging Europe down with you, and a certain Mr Donald Trump of America is doing way more for that specific outcome than I could ever do.
I'd say that trying to convince members and supporters of the US Democrats to stop acting like subservient bitches of their party's sociopath leadership, take back control of it and clean their party (as I say, from the bottom up, so locally campaigning in the local party and primaries against the AIPAC and similar trash, which actually has a chance of working if enough people do it, whilst the "Playing Defense for the Party Leadership and hope they'll not get worse" technique will most surelly not work) is a far more positive and even hopeful option that the whole "campaign for the EU to cut the ropes and let the US sink by themselves as fast as possible".
Have you actually stopped, really put your love for the party aside and thought all this through properly from a Strategical point of view?
Because all I see is you focusing on Retake The Hill, all the while losing the War because the enemy has infiltrated your side from the top.
Sorry, what would regularly pushing world leaders do? Are you serious?
I’d say that trying to convince members and supporters of the US Democrats to stop acting like subservient bitches of their party’s sociopath leadership, take back control of it and clean their party (as I say, from the bottom up, so locally campaigning in the local party and primaries against the AIPAC and similar trash, which actually has a chance of working if enough people do it, whilst the “Playing Defense for the Party Leadership and hope they’ll not get worse” technique will most surelly not work) is a far more positive and even hopeful option that the whole “campaign for the EU to cut the ropes and let the US sink by themselves as fast as possible”.
Okay, so do that. Start emailing, sending letters and making phone calls.
I doubt you will because that takes effort.
Have you actually stopped, really put your love for the party aside and thought all this through properly from a Strategical point of view?
Which party do I love? Please name them.
You are a fantasist and cleary never worked in positions in direct contact with people in high level leadership positions if you think common people can "push world leaders" like that.
You know how I can push the leaders around here: being involved in politics, unions and civic society movements and campaigning for them to lose power or fear losing power enough that they move in our direction to try and find a compromise, and I've chosen to be involved in politics, and have done it twice, in Portugal and in Britain, and that means demonstrations, leafletting, canvassing and talking to people on the street. I'll even talk to people on the Internet and try and convince them to look at things from another viewpoint just as I did here, a thing you're right now heavilly criticizing (curious that you think firing an e-mail into a politicians trash box is more effective than grassroots work).
In your persistence that "emailing, sending letters and making phone calls" is the only way for others in a non-US context to push for political change you're either incredibly naive or arguing in bad faith. It also indicates that you have a belief that the leaders can be trusted, listen in good faith and you can convince them directly (the "good boss" fable of subservient proles) whist my view is more the sindicalist view that the fight has to happen from the bottom up since those in power are more often than not corrupt, because they were either corrupt to begin with (the kind of people attracted to power are seldom the kind that should have power) or power corrrupted them and putting your hopes on them not being corrupt is childishly naive.
As for your love for the Democrats, you're the one playing Defense of their leadership here by criticizing those who criticize them: Trump also being a Genocide supporter and all-around Fascist is a well established fact around these parts and doesn't make the support for Genocide of others any less abhorrent and thus doesn't that suport any less indefensible. Yet, "strangelly", you chose to attack those who criticize a very specific set of Genocide supportes who, "by an amazing coincidence" all happen to be from the same party.
