'This is ethnic cleansing': Trump faces backlash over Gaza proposal
'You’re talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing,' US president said of Palestinian enclave
I can't believe there are actually people who are surprised about his 'proposal' at all. Like.. everyone saw this coming, right? Plenty of people have been warning other people for years that Trump would do this sort of shit.
But hey, what do I know. I'm just an alarmist fearmonger. Or whatever they used to call me.
Plenty of people have been warning other people for years that Trump would do this sort of shit.
Frankly, he is just saying the quiet part out loud.
Or, do you think Israel ever didn't intend to do genocide?
I don't mean to defend the Democrats, but the Pro-Palestine crowd has been throwing all the blame on the Democratic Party for the Gaza genocide. Which was wrong-headed as it was pretty obvious that the Trump admin would double down on US support to Israel... where the Democrats did do something to resolve the conflict.
I don't mean to defend the Democrats, but the Pro-Palestine crowd has been throwing all the blame on the Democratic Party for the Gaza genocide.
The Pro-Palestine crowd has been throwing all the blame on the Democratic party for the Gaza genocide because the Democratic party was in power for all of the span of the genocide until Trump and Republicans took power a week ago or so.
Let me explain this to you and please listen, now the Pro-Palestine crowd will throw all the additional blame on the Republican Party and Donald Trump for being in power as the genocide worsens because we all know it tragically very likely wilI.
That is how being against this works for most. It isn't that hard to grasp.
where the Democrats did do something to resolve the conflict.
What are you referring to? Biden claimed to be "working toward" a ceasefire for 15 months then Trump's ambassador went over there for 3 days and the ceasefire immediately happened.
Trump is pro-genocide and has no problem wiping out all Palestinian life but him and Biden are equally as bad on this issue
You have to remember though, the pro-Palestinian crowd doesn't care about the rhetoric the parties deliver to the domestic American audience. Obviously the Democrats repeatedly claiming their working towards a peaceful resolution while not actually doing so, rather than Trump just coming out and taking the mask off matters a hell of a lot more than the actual damage and death happening in Gaza, but good luck convincing the loony pro-Palestinians of that.
US President Donald Trump is facing widespread criticism and accusations of proposing ethnic cleansing after stating that he would like to “just clean out” Gaza and relocate its Palestinian population to neighbouring countries.
Speaking aboard Air Force One during a flight from Las Vegas to Miami on Saturday, Trump described Gaza as a “demolition site” and suggested moving its residents to Jordan and Egypt.
“I’d like Egypt to take people. I’d like Jordan to take people,” Trump said. “You’re talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing.”
He added that the move could be either temporary or long-term, saying, “something has to happen”
To everybody who voted against Kamala Harris because she didn't change her stance on Gaza, how does it feel to be played harder than a tenor saxophone?
Backlash only matters if he or anyone he surrounds himself with actually gives a shit.
Hell, it only matters if anyone cares, and based on the Dems and GOP in the US, neither of them really, honestly care. And most Harris supporters don't care either, as well as, well, I can safely say no Trump voters care.
There are large communities of muslims in the midwest. MN, MI, & WI are all battle ground states. It's part of why Harris lost.
#neckpussy
Of course it is ethnic cleansing. But in his opinion, it is the good kind of ethnic cleansing. Just like deporting immigrants, or sometimes even Native Americans...
Of course, if USA really wants the Gaza population to be displaced, it would be consistent for them to take on a significant proportion of them as immigrants.
And they wouldn't even be undocumented migrants!
But they would still be brown :(
And they'll eventually realise that "good" ethnic cleansing is actually quite expensive, and who will really miss them anyway?
I don’t see any appropriate backlash to any of his shit so far.
Yep. The only pushback is from the countries he wants to cleanse them into or the people themselves he wants cleansed. It's self preservation.
The left strongly disapprove, but that's it enough for a backlash. The leftists think Biden was just as bad and the right and diet-right voters don't care or are happily on board.
You'll often see Zionists condemn Egypt and Syria for not taking the Palestinians "oh the Palestinians are so bad that even the other Muslim countries won't take them". No, they just don't want to be complicit in ethnic cleansing.
I guess all the “Genocide Joe” commenters aren’t getting paid to skew the election anymore, so they won’t be here to comment.
I haven't seen "Genocide Don" yet. Funny that.
That's because Trump only just got in and hasn't (yet) done anything close to what Biden did in terms of genocide
They're still around unfortunately, but they are fewer in number.
The bots left, we're left with the dumbasses who believed them.
Just check the downvote total to see how many accounts are still here.
There are a few stragglers around still. And just as sanctimonious with their tiresome and reckless high-flying rhetoric about how principled they are....
sigh.
Genocide Joe. Genocide Trump. Feel better? I dont.
I'm right here. Trump is gearing up to act as genocidal as Biden was but he's not there yet
Or, and this is crazy, Biden could have earned more votes for the DNC by using the Leahy Law and requiring Israel to stop committing war crimes if they wanted to continue to receive military aid.
Almost like it's the responsibility of parties and politicians to earn votes in a democratic system. Not the duty of voters to vote for the "correct" party, which is what you see codified in Authoritarian governments. The writers of our Constitution specifically said the reason for having elections so often was to make sure politicians were responsible to the people, not the other way around.
So the more you try to blame the voters, the more you make them not want to vote blue.
Most of the genocide Joe commenters were russian bots. Those left were fooled by them.
BlueAnon in full force
I only started using the term after the election, I wish I was paid. It's crazy how I'm expected to shut up about it for the next 4 years. Apparently, asking the dems to change their stance on genocide of everything is too much and everyone would rather stick their head in the sand. The moment someone enables it just a bit more then them, they get none of the blame and we get to wait through 4 years of shit just for them to give us literally the same stance.
Both parties enable it and are complicit. Defending either on the subject is clear bootlicking imo.
What a shock that no one could've ever seen coming.
Oh wait:
Well at least it's not genocide!
/s
The "two parties are the same," "Genocide Joe" people are literally quibbling about that just to maintain their arguments and it's depressing.
definitively yes
when utilitarianism seems less burdensome than whatever twisted knot the "genocide joe" folks have to tell themselves justify their actions, you gotta wonder about the choices they made.
when utilitarianism seems less burdensome
How burdensome was it to watch 40K Palestinians die at the hands of weapons made, and supplied, by the US, and fully supported by Biden?
The carnage in Palestine is far reduced now than it was a month ago. I have no confidence that it will hold, but so far the only way that Trump has been worse than Biden on the issue is that Trump is explicit in his rhetoric as opposed to trying to sugar coat it. I realize that to Americans, who are only directly effected by the genocide in so far as hearing about it makes them sad, having their leaders tell them soothing lies means everything, but to those actually in Palestine, it doesn't make a material difference.
"Clean out that whole thing."
He doesn't even pretend it's something other than ethnic cleansing. Just literally "clean out" the Palestinians.
And we're powerless to stop him.
And once again the media is creating apologetic headlines. I guess they want people to only realize the leopards ate their faces when they only have their Lying Eyes left.
“Does no one in the media know what it’s called when you ‘clean out’ an ethnic group and expel them from their land?” one commenter asked, adding: "Trump Calls for Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians From Gaza," that is your headline.”
Love that all the pearl clutchers are in this thread to say that NOW the genocide is bad, as if they'll catch leftists in a whataboutism.
The truth is that Trump is giving the same carte blanche that Biden did to Bibi. It remains on the people of Israel to stop this conflict, as it always has. You can't pretend the genocide is only bad when your enemy is doing it, this was the same plan under Biden. Trump just likes bragging about the cruelty, whereas Biden was smart enough to pretend to care.
If you strip all the politics of nuance, everyone is exactly the same and nothing ever happens
Both candidates are bad on one issue so it's all the same! No. Fuck you.
People clicked this thread for the topic of this issue. So, he's making a point about this one issue. Don't see any statements claiming Trump has a level head on anything else.
Both candidates were bad on a lot of issues, but I'm glad you jumped to a conclusion that I never stated to prove my point so quickly.
Centrists are suddenly unhappy now that trump is implementing their only policy for them.
Here is my bOtHsIdEs Pikachu face. :|
I'm sure Kamala was going to be exactly the same. /s
I’m sure Kamala was going to be exactly the same. /s
Pretty much the only difference is she wouldn't say it out loud, frankly. She clearly stated she had Israel's back, regardless of what anyone said. I mean, look at how she reacted to people stating, to her face, that they could not vote for her, due to that.
And what did she do? She doubled down on her support for the genocide.
She was, the only difference is she wouldn't come out and say it bluntly to the American public.
Fuck off with this nonsense. Kamala would literally push the same policies, just like Joe did. The only difference would be that she’d use vague and hollow language to keep a pretense of humanity up so people could continue pretending that they themselves are not contributing to this atrocity. Your naive picture of mainstream Democrats is why that party continues to be as ineffective as it’s been for 50 years. I welcome all the neoliberal Lemmy downvotes. Assholes.
The day Trump actually tempers a decision based on the feedback the world gives him, I'll eat my hat. He doesn't give a shit about this kind of criticism. He's right. Everyone else is wrong. One of the few genuine stable geniuses in this world.
This too shall pass and once it has, we shall remember the names of those that pushed genocides, those that pushed anti science that will inevitably cause the next pandemic.
I mean this is a pretty weak ass take and it's not even really right. Like after this "passes" we will be fully locked in to rocketing off the edge of the climate abyss and there is nothing anyone could possibly do to prevent it. They will try with Geo engineering but that's a toss up at best.
No one will remember anyone.
Climate change has a relatively cheap and easy solution.
Aresol sprays can buy a few decades of time if things get too hot.
We already have cheap solar and cheap batteries are becoming a reality. We only need a cheap, non-intermittent energy source to provide baseload energy. Cheap nuclear power is possible and can fill that niche - we had the tech in the past and China has it today.
For about $1T a fleet of reactors could be built to extract all the excess carbon from the atmosphere in 50 years, working in tandem with cheap solar energy and cheap batteries to power human civilization.
Ethnic "clearing"
Ethical and Ethnic share a lot of letters, I'm sure that means they mean the same thing.
B-b-but muh genocide joe & both sides are the same
Fewer Palestinians die today murdered by the apartheid state of Israel than they did one month ago. There is literally no difference, both the democrats and the republicans are more than willing to sacrifice the entire Palestine to their interests in the middle east
There is literally no difference
The LGBTQ+ and all free-thinking women in America would probably disagree.
No one voted thinking genocide would end. So I’m not sure what you thought would happen. There is a shit ton of nuance and complexity to that situation and it’s not going ways anytime soon.
But for the other damage trump has promised to cause- tell me…
Did you see Kamala Harris rounding up and deporting American’s born from immigrants? Did you see her restricting trans-rights to serve in the military? Did you see her dismantling our education system? Did you see her pulling us out of climate acts?
It must be nice to be so entitled that you can sacrifice the freedoms of other people because you decided to take on a brand new single issue protest.
Especially when that single issue has been going on for decades before you ever even knew about it.
Both sides aren't the same, but they are in this circumstance. Don't you want more differences between the two mainstream political parties?
The guy who defines everything by "great countries " and "shithole countries" wants to clean the shithole out and all the shitty people. Hmmm
Sorry screen reader users.
It'S BeTtEr ThAn GeNoCiDe
Someone almost literally said that to me here. That what Trump is wanting is better than what Biden was doing because this is "just" ethnic cleansing.
Biden was a poor president, maybe given Harris was his vice-president we could guess she might be a poor president also. Trump on the other hand is evil. Anyone that voted for him should be ashamed of themselves. If he was running against a bag of frozen brussel sprouts the bag of sprouts would make a better president than him.
It's the exact same as last time. Hilary would have been bad, but Trump is actively evil and destructive. I wanted Burnie, but I still voted for Hilary because it's a two party system and I understand how spoiler votes work. Now we're all fucked and I hope every single person who voted for the Orange Idiot suffers for it.
Biden was also evil. Less evil than Trump maybe, but trying to claim be wasn't evil goes beyond pragmatism and into white washing genocide.
Why was Biden a poor president?
Primarily? Because of his support for a genocide. That makes anyone objectively an evil person.
Stay on message, Democrats! Remember, it wasn't the Democrats fault for losing, it was those loony leftists for going against the approved narrative of the Democratic Party. The Dems aren't out of touch or negligent, and Bill Mahr is funny and relevant.
God the comments suck on this post
Do you think maybe there can be more than one source of culpability for things in this universe?
I think the problem is so many people trying to politically point score by whitewashing a bunch of Genociders by using the actions of a new bunch of Genociders.
"Yeah, but our guys' mass murdering of children was all fairies and unicorns shitting rainbows from their arses whilst those other guys' Genocide is all dark and shit" isn't the Grand Principled argument the tribalists seem to think it is.
It's kind of understandable that anybody with enough Principle in their bodies to trump tribalism is a "little" peeved at people excusing any group of willful and eager collaborators in the mass murder of children, be it the previous bunch or the new bunch.
Well, the truth can sting a little if you've just found out you've been fooled. The important thing is to grow up and learn from your mistake.
Someone was telling you this shit was going to happen and there was only one way to even have a chance of preventing it. You decided compromise was for losers and are now reaping the rewards of your ill informed, short sighted decision. Why are you whining so much, you got exactly what you were told you would get.
So did you! You got exactly what we told you was going to happen, yet its our fault it happened. Look at this post! This whining is on your side my dude. I just can't believe you fools didn't stop with the brow beating after such a catastrophic loss. Couldn't do one fraction of a second of self reflection. I was not telling people not to vote for the democrat, but I didn't hide my real feelings either.
A movement to withhold votes against Democrats has been building for years. the uncommitted movement is ideologically closer to liberal democrats than so called tankies, but Dems threw them under the bus, called them Putin influenced for protesting against a genocide in the only way they knew how. I was fighting for Palestinian liberation in different ways, I don't really get too involved in electoral politics though I'm active politically. Never was I whining. God what projection.
It really demonstrates the two tendencies of liberalism: good conscientious people who are cool and hate injustice, vs. bloodless defenders of private capital who make noises like they care about justice so they can take power and broker influence.
Get a grip, do some actual criticism of your movement, do better for christs sakes. There wouldn't be nearly as many communists and anarchists becoming radicalized if democrats were even a little effective. They are the only force that has the power to oppose the fascists and criminals in charge of the republicans. and they blew it, time and time again. Stop blaming the people, the fucking lemmy posters for Christ sakes, and start looking at your party,and namely where they get their funding.
this may require you to read and process information instead of just repeating what some 68 year old millionaire said. Which may take some growth on your part, so maybe hydrate and stretch a little first.
there was only one way to even have a chance of preventing it
State level electoral reform so people can vote outside the two party system without a spoiler effect
Well you sure showed those democrats by not voting huh? Like shooting yourself but calling it a win because you got blood on the other guy.
The American left has become so toxic, and splintered into micro groups with special labels who all hate each other and reject each other's support while blaming each other and calling anyone even slightly right or even left of you an enemy. Meanwhile the right was united while trump and Netanyahu played you all so blatantly and obviously and you all bought it.
Well I’m sure Gazans thank you American leftists for staying home and letting trump win. I’m sure your blaming democrats will make them feel better
Sadly you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you're voting you're supporting the status quo of the Dems really only listening to corporate backers, if you're not voting you're letting the opposition (Trump) have a better chance at office (which he did get). They're both terrible options, and I'm not sure blaming individuals who are tired of having to fight for the lesser evil instead of a better tomorrow is fair
I did vote, but I was also trying to tell people that the whole strategy of browbeating wasn't going to work. But that's all the dems have to offer which is why they lost.
Where's my Jill stien supports when ya need them! /s
Right here, still glad I voted for the anti-genocide candidate instead of the 2 pro-genocide candidates
Biden was already actively doing the ethic cleansing that trump is talking about
I think their… cicadian rhythm only allows them to wake every 3½ years, make a lot of obnoxious noise, and then go back to sleep, or… “спать” as they like to call it.
And yet you're up and down the thread arguing with them
Some people are working on changing how we vote so 3rd party voters can vote how they want and still have their vote count against the Republicans.
I guess you're to busy telling people how to vote to come up with a solution to the problem you are so concerned with.
different president, same soulless husk
Two days after he was inaugurated the UN was reporting 92% of residential buildings were damaged and destroyed. The genocide was almost done before Trump got in office and people are still out here pretending Biden was any better.
https://www.dezeen.com/2025/01/22/gaza-housing-92-per-cent-destroyed-damaged-un-report/
EDIT: elected -> inaugurated
It's not really ethnic cleansing because the last year hasn't been that.
