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Trump to lift pause on 2,000-pound bomb supply to Israel, Walla News reports

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to lift the Biden administration's freeze on the supply of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel in his first days in office, Walla

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Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

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NO, IT ISN'T. The discussion was never about legal liability. You made that excuse! Whether Biden is responsible is a moral question, not a legal one. There's whole fields of moral philosophy about these things. You can be responsible for simply not stopping a third party from doing something, let alone actively enabling them.
But you have to accept the reality that only a very small fringe believes Biden is to blame for this.
Even if that's true, that doesn't matter, and SUBJECTIVELY, I think you're the one with a weird minority position (no responsibility for arming someone known to be dangerous). The whole point is that neither of these position is an objective truth, because they're about moral belief. You've got an opinion, it could even be the majority opinion, but it's an OPINION, because the whole question doesn't have an objective answer.
I really don't get how you think this is a legal question, or that the ICC would be the ultimate deciding body of what legitimate opinions people can hold about responsibility for immoral acts. It's a baffling opinion, and I'd love to do this debate back and forth, but the resolution of our moral debate is irrelevant, because the real problem is that you're moderating based on a subjective belief and for some reason unable to even recognize that moral responsibility is a subjective topic.
- It absolutely is, you kept bringing up the subjective vs. objective argument.
  The objective truth is the legal rulings from the ICC court cited above.
  Your subjective notion of what's "philosophically true" cannot be objectively proven one way or the other. That's the very nature of philosophy.
  I gave you the citations from Biden stating his reasoning, I gave you the ruling from the ICC. These are all the legal standings surrounding Biden's support of Israel.
  If you want the objective truth, you have it, quoted and sourced. If you choose to reject it, well, I can't help you with that.
  
  Holy fuck man, go talk to one of your other mods, because you're not really not addressing this at all.
  This was never a legal matter. YOU injected that to justify moderating a moral viewpoint. The original comments are in the modlog. They weren't making a statement about law. I wasn't making a statement about law. YOU are the one defining the only legitimate "responsibility" a human can hold being if they are charged with a crime.
  Do you think China is not responsible for the genocide of the Uyghurs because the ICC isn't charging them? Was Netanyahu not responsible for the genocide before the ICC case? Are only Netanyahu and Gallant responsible because they were the only ones charged? "What the court says is the only allowed truth" is such a broken viewpoint for a moderator to hold on a message board.
  Your subjective notion of what’s “philosophically true” cannot be objectively proven one way or the other. That’s the very nature of philosophy.
  YES. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. You moderated a subjective opinion as misinformation and then justified it with your own subjective opinion. Then insisted you were making an objective decision by pretending this was a conversation about the ICC. What the ICC thinks is irrelevant to the whole conversation. You can cite them as much as you want, but it was never the question being discussed. And like really trivially obviously so.
  
  Again, not a moral viewpoint.
  Objectively, by any and all legal definition, Israel is responsible for the genocide in Gaza NOT Biden.
  Quoted, and cited. You can go on and on about how you "feel" diferently, but you can't say that and ignore a legal ruling as being subjective.
  Unless, and I'm open to the very real possibility at this point, that you don't ACTUALLY know the definitions of "objective" and "subjective".
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objective
  1: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
  The ICC found Israel and Netanyahu responsible for the genocide in Gaza. Factually true. They did not charge Biden. Factually true. Cited above. This is the objective reality of the situation and comments accusing Biden of genocide will continue to be removed as misinformation.
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective
  3a : characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind
  4a(1) : peculiar to a particular individual
  (2) : modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background
  5 : lacking in reality or substance
  "I don't care what the ICC says! I feel different!"
  That would be you. We're done here, it's like talking to a poorly informed wall.
  
  TALK TO YOUR FELLOW MODERATORS. This is both a massive failure as a moderator and breaking your own civility rules. I've been a mod, it's a hard job, but right now you're totally failing at the role and need to step back and reevaluate what you've been doing.
  
  Agreed.
  It hurts me to say this but this is an awful and honestly pretty scary failure of moderation in this community.
  The stakes unfortunately couldn't be more serious in this case, we are talking about complicity in genocide here, if you are going to moderate on the topic and you have this simplistic of an understanding of the complexities, you are going to hurt people and do real damage to the world.

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