Democrats aren’t the only ones voting for abortion rights, Ohio shows
Democrats aren’t the only ones voting for abortion rights, Ohio shows
More than 20 Ohio counties rejected Issue 1 on Tuesday and most of them were suburban and exurban counties that voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
More than 20 Ohio counties rejected Issue 1 on Tuesday and most of them were suburban and exurban counties that voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
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For years abortion has been thought of as a bitterly partisan issue, but the Ohio vote is the latest example of how the issue seems to defy the partisan 50/50, red/blue lens that defines most everything in American politics in 2023. In state after state, initiative after initiative, voters seem to be coming down on the side of abortion rights — and the data suggest one big driver of those outcomes might be suburban Republicans.
Now if only they'd stop voting for people against their own interests because of scare tactics, peer pressure, and single issue voting.
But that single issue was abortion for many of them. Damn, they are mindless.
Conservatives are highly motivated to harm others. It's only when they accidentally harm themselves that they relent just long enough to make a correction. When they figure out how to allow abortions only for conservatives, these voters will resume their harmful positions on the topic.
I don't think anyone's seriously considered abortion a 50:50 issue in a long time. As far as I remember, it's always been an extremist faction within the GOP, but a faction large and energized enough to dominate party politics. And it's been 'safe' enough for mainstream GOP to play along with, because it was settled law protected by SCOTUS. Now that protection is gone, GOP politicians are going to have to decide whether courting those extremists in the primaries is worth the cost in the general.
I am predicting the same will occur with guns once today's children age.
These kids are doing active shooter drills as often as a fire drill.
I cannot imagine this will result continued moderation on the gun issue.
I predict revocation of the second amendment to be our next constitutional amendment.
That's ridiculous. You would need 3/4 of the 50 states to ratify that change. There are way too many pro-2A red states for that to ever happen.
Throwing away your rights is the dumbest thing you could vote for. They don't just give out new rights regularly, it takes a lot of fighting and effort to get rights.
I think the right not to be shot is a weeee more important than the right to be the shooter.
Well I'm glad your opinion on it doesn't matter, because our gun rights are practically set in stone at this point. The gun cases getting appealed to the SC will be fun to watch.
We all have a right not to be shot, and this is protected by the laws against murder and assault. In the USA we also have the right to bear arms, which is a crucial freedom in the long term scope of democracy and in the short term for self defense.
I was discussing this earlier. I’m a pro-choice republican. I won’t vote republican until they change their stance on abortion. I’m rarely a single issue voter but this is one issue I won’t back down on. I personally don’t know any republicans who don’t want some compromise on the the issue.
There is a major disconnect between the voters and the politicians on this topic.
So when they said they'd outlaw abortions for the last 50 years, you still voted for them? 🤡
Did you see democrats voting to protect abortion? No. It was all posturing until roe was overturned.
Tell me how many years in the past 20 that democrats had enough votes in the house, and the Senate, and control of the white house. How much time did they actually have to pass laws with republican obstructionism? How would they pass laws that protect abortion when bad actors like Manchin and Sinema constantly interfere. What I did see was republicans systematically attack the privacy provisions from Roe up until their final success with the Dobbs decision. And I know you voted for them even though they made it abundantly clear what their intentions were. Constantly voting against your own interests under the guise of not being as cruel and heartless as the clowns you support.
Yes, and I do fault them for that, but only to an extent. Wedge issues are a valuable commodity, aren't they? Republicans certainly kept banging on that pro-life drum (which supposedly no one really wanted and y'all were just yelling about to keep the rubes on board?) The flip side of that was that you all looked like extremists. (But Roe is dead and buried, so I guess you're doing Nazis now. We all sort of hope that's cosplay as well, but... look at Roe. Someone might start to suspect you're serious.)
I guess there is such a thing as a slippery slope.
In any case, "you had 50 years to make a law about it" seems like a silly argument if the right in question is protected by the constitution. Every SC nominee in recent memory has testified to that specific question under oath.
And what sort of law are we talking about here? It's far easier to restrict a right than it is to affirm it. It honestly makes no sense practically or politically. The only way to attack that right was through a challenge to Roe, so that was how things went down. They had to overturn Roe. Took half a century. I guess that's something.
My state did that years ago and then also passed a safe-harbor bill after the SC overturned Row.
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/massachusetts-law-about-abortion
How does it feel being so. fucking...
WRONG?
I’m not sure what you think I was wrong about? Your article has nothing to do with congress. Congress has to enact a federal law. SCOTUS said the same thing. Everyone knew this was coming since roe was enacted. Yet nobody put in a federal law to perfect abortion.
Move those goal posts right to the sun FFS.
You don’t appear to understand the issue well.
Nobody moved a goal post. The only way to protect abortion is through congress
What overturning roe did is push the issue back to the states. Each state can make their own laws around abortion.
We need a federal law or amendment to fix the issue.
I'm not arguing that.
I’m a pro-choice republican.
Otherwise known as a Democrat. There's no disconnect between voters and politicians. Republican voters want "no abortion" until they get it. Politicians are delivering that.
Republican voters do not really vote based on policies. They vote based on values. You may have said to yourself "This person seems like a decent choice". " I like where they're coming from." None of those are policies.