Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Lashes Out at 'Predatory' Jill Stein
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Lashes Out at 'Predatory' Jill Stein
In an Instagram story on Sunday, the New York congresswoman accused Stein and the Green Party for only putting its emphasis on presidential elections.
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This is 100% about them feeling entitled to the Muslim vote and Jill being tied with Harris in polling. The fraud AOC is lashing out because someone is legitimately a threat to them staying in power.
This is the bed Harris decided to make for herself, and if she loses it will be her fault.
Jill being tied with Harris in polling
LMAO
See also:
legitimately a threat
LMAO
The same way Nader was a threat to Gore.
And that seemed to work out well for everyone.
The more you read, the funnier it gets 🤣 what a mook
What the fuck is "cair"?
That website is cancer on mobile, but I assume it's a polster.
Apparently polling is going crazy atm, and poll aggregators are having to restrict the polls they are looking at to only the polsters they have heard of before because so many random ones are showing up.
Cancer because it doesn't contribute to your echo chamber
Do you not know what "on mobile" means?
The Council on American–Islamic Relations. They've been in the news for years now, due to all the Islamophobia stoked by the right. If you don't know who they are, that's kind of on you.
Way to earn yourself a tag
I have no idea what you're referencing or care anything about your opinion of me. In a post that is otherwise filled with comments where they look like nutcases, you've somehow managed to generate one thread where the Stein boosters look like the more informed and politically mature side.
Yep earned it well
It would be easier to admit you don't have enough info on the subject to be commenting
The only person here pretending to know anything is you. This was your response to a question. I'll take that response to mean "a very unreliable bullshit source"
I'm not the one asking questions on info that's widely available
I'd like to see your source on that polling data, champ. Also, it's so funny you fucks turned against AOC.
Yeah, right? AOC is a bad ass until her party is suddenly unfavorable because some of them but not her aren’t supporting Gaza hard enough. But unsurprisingly, none of these people ever complain about Uyghur genocide—the other Muslims.
It’s easy for Jill to be hard on this topic because she knows the presidency is out of her reach. But AOC is still in play, and sadly—in the actual world we live in—she has to play the game to win.
It's ironic to me that you people can acknowledge that Jill Stein is just virtue signaling from the side lines because it costs her nothing. She's not actually spending political capital on something that has any chance of happening. She's just paying it lip service.
You understand this. That's good.
But then in the same breath, you applaud AOC for saber rattling to pack the supreme court and other ideas that are impossible without a super majority. Which only served to make Biden look weak and disenfranchise progressive voters.
And look how that turned out. Biden left. Now there is actually a shot at beating Trump.
I consider that a success.
But unsurprisingly, none of these people ever complain about Uyghur genocide—the other Muslims.
You know who else doesn’t complain about it? Other Muslims, because they know it’s bullshit.
https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330
#HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
That's not what that means. That's not what any of that means. And you know it. Why such bad faith arguments? If your argument were rational and logical then the genocide in Gaza isn't happening either. Because there's large groups of people that don't really care about it. Probably even large groups of Muslims who have other larger going concerns than it.
It was the United States that blocked that UN visit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-rights/u-s-germany-slam-china-at-u-n-security-council-over-xinjiang-diplomats-idUSKCN1TX2YZ/
Last month the United States, Britain and other western countries objected to a visit by the United Nations counterterrorism chief to Xinjiang, concerned the visit would validate China's argument that it was tackling terrorism.
Delegates from Muslim countries did visit. From the US’ own propaganda outlet: Arab League Visits China’s Xinjiang Region, Rejects Uyghur Genocide
If your argument were rational and logical then the genocide in Gaza isn’t happening either.
Speaking of rationality & logic, that sentence is sheer nonsense.
Reason: Genocide denial
Best of luck with your censorship efforts.
Me, talking about real genocide.
You, denying genocide.
You, suggesting I’m censoring the right to deny genocide.
Me, still talking about real genocide.
You really need to stop denying genocide.
Article 2 of the genocide convention:
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/genocide-conv-1948/article-2
"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
✅ (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
✅ (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
✅ (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
✅ (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
"The declarations follow reports that, as well as interning Uyghurs in camps, China has been forcibly mass sterilising Uyghur women to suppress the population, separating children from their families, and attempting to break the cultural traditions of the group.
The US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, has said China is committing "genocide and crimes against humanity".
The UK parliament declared in April 2021 that China was committing a genocide in Xinjiang.
A UN human rights committee in 2018 said it had credible reports that China was holding up to a million people in "counter-extremism centres" in Xinjiang.
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute found evidence in 2020 of more than 380 of these "re-education camps" in Xinjiang, an increase of 40% on previous estimates.
Analysis of data contained in the latest police documents, called the Xinjiang Police Files, showed that almost 23,000 residents - or more than 12% of the adult population of one county - were in a camp or prison in the years 2017 and 2018. If applied to Xinjiang as a whole, the figures would mean the detention of more than 1.2 million Uyghur and other Turkic minority adults."
You really need to stop denying genocide.
I won’t, but I’ll try to refrain from commenting on it in your communities. (And yes, I’m familiar with the Convention’s definition of genocide and have taken it into account.)
Because Uyghur is 100% sinophobia made up by US propaganda
What about the Rohingya in Myanmar, or Sudan? Are those propaganda too? Or do they not qualify because it doesn't fit your narrative?
I mean, I could make the exact same garbage argument about you denying the Canadian genocide of the Flemish, which I just made up. Myanmar & Sudan aren’t even germane to the issue, so what’s the point of this diversion?
So you acknowledge that you're disregarding them as genocides?
No. The only person who brought them up was you, and for some reason you’re still doing it.
Is this some attempt at, “Have you stopped beating your wife?”
Are we just picking random genocides out of our ass now? I was responding to the fake Uyghur claims
So you can't say you're for the Palestinians when you're actively willfully ignoring all other genocides.
I'm not ignoring them, Im not the one trying to create a strawman.
Like you saying, the Uyghur genocide is US propaganda.
Reason: misinfo/trolling
Sorry, but calling someone out on their strawmaning is misinfo/trolling, apparently. I don’t make the rules 🤷
They were trying to create a strawman by implying me not speaking about against ALL genocide implies I'm not sincere
"Fake Uyghyr claims"? Removed for genocide denial.
According to article 2 of the genocide convention, actual killing is not necessary for a genocide.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/genocide-conv-1948/article-2
"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
✅ (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
✅ (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
✅ (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
✅ (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
"The declarations follow reports that, as well as interning Uyghurs in camps, China has been forcibly mass sterilising Uyghur women to suppress the population, separating children from their families, and attempting to break the cultural traditions of the group.
The US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, has said China is committing "genocide and crimes against humanity".
The UK parliament declared in April 2021 that China was committing a genocide in Xinjiang.
A UN human rights committee in 2018 said it had credible reports that China was holding up to a million people in "counter-extremism centres" in Xinjiang.
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute found evidence in 2020 of more than 380 of these "re-education camps" in Xinjiang, an increase of 40% on previous estimates.
Analysis of data contained in the latest police documents, called the Xinjiang Police Files, showed that almost 23,000 residents - or more than 12% of the adult population of one county - were in a camp or prison in the years 2017 and 2018. If applied to Xinjiang as a whole, the figures would mean the detention of more than 1.2 million Uyghur and other Turkic minority adults."
You are using the people claiming there is a genocide as the source for the claim.
#The Uyghurs in Xinjiang
Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context.
Background
Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.
Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.
Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge.
Counterpoints
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:
- Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.
Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter (A/HRC/41/G/17) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:
The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." (See: World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China)
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:
The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China | Colum Lynch, Foreign Policy. (2021)
A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror
The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.
According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: ‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes)
In summary:
- The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes.
- China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training.
Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?
Side note: It is practically impossible to actually charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the Hague Invasion Act.
Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.
Why is this narrative being promoted?
As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.
Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.
You are using the people claiming there is a genocide as the source for the claim.
That's typically how investigations work.... There's an accusation, and then an investigation to find evidence that supports the claim. They aren't using people as a source for the claim, they're using the evidence the people gathered.
You on the other hand seem to be focused on who gathered the information instead of what they gathered.
Welcomes** the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
This is anecdotal evidence from a political organization that has a well established history of ignoring the plight of specific Islamic ethnic minorities, including the Kurds in Syria and Turkey, the Ahwaz in Iran, the Hazaras in Afghanistan, the 'Al-Akhdam' in Yemen, and the Berbers in Algeria.
Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations)
Again, anecdotal evidence which does not detail the accusations, nor how their experience contradicts that accusation.
The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations."
Using this as "evidence" is just academically dishonest. The "team" was a single bank manager, and the "investigation's" scope was solely to insure that a 50m dollar loan for 3 different schools were not being used to commit crimes against humanity.
The bank claimed that the specific schools they investigated did not substantiate the allegations, however they found enough to decide they wanted to minimize the project.
"In light of the risks associated with the partner schools, which are widely dispersed and difficult to monitor, the scope and footprint of the project is being reduced. Specifically, the project component that involves the partner schools in Xinjiang is being closed."
China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide
I think you are forgetting the accusations of the population control of an ethnic minority. "The 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which lists birth prevention targeting an ethnic group as one act that could qualify as genocide."
Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror
Again, a logical fallacy. Just because America has participated in genocide does not mean that China cannot also participate in genocide or crimes against humanity.
Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative
Another logical fallacy.... You are attacking the man, not the evidence or argument.
He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The vast majority of the evidence he's gathered for his peer reviewed study are gathered directly from public data released by the Chinese government. There have also been some data from a leaked cable, which have been validated by multiple investigative bodies of journalists across the world.
As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.
This is a biased interpretation of materialism. A similarly biased claim based on materialism would be that the Belt and Roads initiative motivated china to ethnically cleanse a region vital to the initiative.
On a personal note, I don't think the lable of genocide is really important. What is important is that an ethnic minority is being abused by a State. And while there is a lot of misinformation and politicing surrounding the topic, there's still an alarming amount of data that suggest China is forcibly assimilating an ethnic minority group.
Obviously they meant "tied for the Muslim vote"
https://www.cair.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/CAIRMuslimVoterSurvey.pdf
This data is echoed by FiveThirtyEight
Obviously they meant "tied for the Muslim vote"
It wasn't obvious, it was a line constructed in fantasy and intended confusion. IAnd the way they argue and respond gives me hardcore troll vibes. These people are here to sow distrust, confusion and despair. In line with a country known for doing this kind of thing, russia.
Tankies = Green Party
It really is as simple as that.
Tankies = Green Party
It really is as simple as that
You people are delusional.
No, 'we' are not. If you take a step back and think about it, it makes perfect sense.
Lots of noise and confusion, distrust, 'both siding', etc. And all of that happens magically around...presidential election time.I will maintain my position, tankies/greenparty are propped up to sow distrust and it is a well known mechanism from russia. Do I think all these poor lost souls are on a payroll? Of course not, if only they were. You can fix income, mentalissues are much tougher to solve. You can indoctrinate swarms of people to do your bidding if you take the time and effort. Again, exactly what russia decades ago started doing to the west. They are 'activated' (throw the right amount of messaging on several social media channels to do so) always, and I mean always, around presidential election time.
A good question to ask would be why it is that Stein person is only in the picture around presidential election times. I never hear about the groundwork of a true party to gain ground on the more 'boring' levels that gain no notoriety or attention, like local boards, mayors, etc. Always they spring to life around presidential election times where they stand absolutely no chance. Why is that?
And for greenparty/tankies to start calling other people delusional is just sad. Lost souls is what they are and I fear we will have to say goodbye to them as I see no real way to mend their minds, they are that lost.
A good question to ask would be why it is that Stein person is only in the picture around presidential election times. I never hear about the groundwork of a true party to gain ground on the more 'boring' levels that gain no notoriety or attention, like local boards, mayors, etc. Always they spring to life around presidential election times where they stand absolutely no chance. Why is that?
Or maybe it's because you don't pay attention (and the media wilgully ignores more radical opinions). I know crazy.
So tell me, which of Stein's or the Green Party's policies makes them "tankies" exactly?
Not the policies, I talked about the people advocating for that party
So nothing, just ad-hominem. Got it!
Not obvious
This is 100% about them feeling entitled to the Muslim vote and Jill being tied with Harris in polling.
I'm not saying this is the best structured sentence ever, but you need to work on your reading comprehension (though I have a feeling you are being intentionally obtuse).
You're simping for Stein and thus Trump all over the thread
Yeah that's just plain fucking false equivalence. But I suppose libs aren't one logical fallacy short of enlightenment, so that tracks.
My favorite type of person is one who thinks anyone who disagrees with their wrong opinions is a lIbErAl, whatever the fuck that even means.
I mean you are advocating for the democratic party, correct? That would make you a liberal. If you were advocating for Trump or the GOP I'd call you a conservative. You see, my favorite type of person is the liberal who thinks there are only three opposing ideologies, his or hers, whatever is further right of theirs, with which they will side as soon as anyone who is actual left of them challenges them, and tankies. Let me guess, the DSA is also tankies, right? Except for the ones who advocate for the democratic party? Cornell West? Tankie! PSL? TANKREEEEEEEE
I mean you are advocating for the democratic party, correct? That would make you a liberal.
Well that's definitely not what the word means, but also no. It means I understand us elections and am also not a sociopath
am also not a sociopath
What can I say, I'm not the one who keeps doing the same thing over and over again and somehow expecting different results. This is the most important election am I right?
That doesn't fit the narrative in this echo chamber even a little bit. <strawman> <gaslight> <ad hominem> <logical fallacy of your choice> <accusation of bad faith>
You picked a very fitting username
AOC has always been garbage. As requested
She's also tied with Hugh Janus in polls. It was a real official poll. My source is Trust Me. I am not a troll.
Adding /s
LOL yes I think that went well over the heads of some.
