AP reports that Mangione apologized to the feds in his manifesto, saying he respected their work
AP reports that Mangione apologized to the feds in his manifesto, saying he respected their work
Police arrested Luigi Mangione, 26, after a tip that he had been spotted at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania. Mangione had a gun consistent with the weapon used in the shooting and writings critical of the insurance industry, police said.
“To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone,” the document said, according to the official.
It also had a line that said, “I do apologize for any strife or traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming.”
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How much longer is this site going to play pretend now that there is AP published evidence of him being a literal bootlicker?
I guess since he sucks it's now bad that he killed a POS ceo and demonstrated that the bourgeoisie aren't invincible.
Killing a POS CEO and demonstraing that the bourgeoisie aren't invincible is good even if the person who did it sucks
What is preventing you personally from redacting a healthcare CEO today? You don't have to answer. It's an easy question to guess at.
One dude having a break is not a movement, it's not proof of anything. Half of you just found out about propaganda of the deed yesterday and the day before, the half that knew about it, just regurgitated Lenin quotes against it.
By the way no serious anarchist or insurrectionist anarchist collective called a reactionary killing someone "propaganda of the deed" otherwise half of history would be considered "propaganda of the deed" by anarchists.
Basil posting on Lemmy.ml lol
No one thinks or thought this was genuinely a communistic/theory based thing. Everyone here has basically said something about him likely being a reactionary from the very day the assassination took place
That doesn’t make it less good the dude got got, like this has definitely shown how cathartic it has been for the masses and how universally derided healthcare is.
People are 1) literally just enjoying the fact that a usually untouchable person caught one and that’s it and 2) not necessarily taking the pigs word as sacrosanct straight out the gate.
just enjoying the fact that a usually untouchable person caught one
I really used to be one of those "all life is sacred" people, I thought I would never get satisfaction from the death of another, but after learning just how little human life matters to people like Brian Thompson for example, and how much they profit from the exploitation and ruination of human life, I have been surprised at how pleasant his assassination has been. It's also that we are constantly having to hear about people who don't deserve to die being subjected to humiliating and unjust deaths both in the news and our personal lives, it's somehow nice that it went the other way for once.
Nah social murder is murder and many are too callous with human life they deem inferior. Some people just need to be gone for good.
Nuance? On my Hexbear?
I agree that most people are mad that I'm ruining the vibe at their party.
But I think you're also being really really ideologically charitable with the party goers and their view of the world, there's countless threads here speculating on or defending exactly this:
thought this was genuinely a communistic/theory based thing
I think also very few people were actually thinking this:
him likely being a reactionary from the very day the assassination took place
Like I said in the sister thread to this one, the only realistic way to describe the push back I've gotten is "stop ruining the vibe at the party". Half the pushback is from people calling me a lib or not serious, the other push back is from people thinking I'm going to post some kind of theory screed like Dirty Ushanka. If anything it shows that this entire thing is devoid of actual ideology and is purely vibes based. Which is fine.
My point is that we should be honest with ourselves and admit that this is all vibes based rather than pretend this is some grand moment or some "blow to the bourgeoisie". Most posters don't even realize that they kill each other at a much higher rate than non-bourgeoisie kill them?
The issue is you have bad reading comprehension and read a level of sincerity or complete misrepresentation into most of the comments you’ve replied to.
Half of the people in these threads don’t even know wtf you’re talking about bc you stood on a soapbox about how the guy is reactionary as if everyone didn’t already know that lol
The issue is you have bad reading comprehension and read a level of sincerity or complete misrepresentation into most of the comments you’ve replied to.
This is a valid criticism that boils down to me being an annoying jerk in this instance and is very valid.
Half of the people in these threads don’t even know wtf you’re talking about
I can see this as true.
bc you stood on a soapbox about how the guy is reactionary as if everyone didn’t already know that lol
Yeah I really again don't buy this, there's plenty of "benefit of the doubt" being given here to shitposters. The same shitposters would be banned for supporting fash if they said the same exact things for a different reactionary moron. My problem is that if your excitement for the death of a CEO is leading to tongue and cheek, am I joking am I not, rehab of this dude, you're not as ideologically committed to "leftism" as you claim.
So say it very plainly, I'm not sad a healthcare CEO died. I'm sad that if tomorrow Atom Waffen (or similar neo-reactionary group) started executing healthcare CEO's there's a portion of this site that would be like "based" -- when politically that's really troubling even if they're killing "our enemies".
There's absolutely not a clear-eyed ideological understanding here among the majority of users. There's simply blood lust.
The first part really should inform your understanding of the rest of what’s gone on in these threads.
I can see this as true.
Misinterpreting stuff so badly that when you talk about it to someone it comes off deranged and tangential to the point they’re confused probably shouldn’t be seen as a win bud. You’re doing
shit that isn’t really productive.As for the last thing. Idk how you don’t understand that people are supportive of the fact he killed a ceo. It is not the same as supporting a fash doing fash things like killing racialized and colonized people. And to try to equate the two is frankly real goober shit idk what to tell you
You think you’re dropping truth nukes and ruining fun but you’re just overly simplifying things, not really grasping the nuance of what people are saying and embarrassing yourself by insisting that’s not what’s happening when it very self evidently is
You’re doing shit that isn’t really productive.
Yes. I need to be more productive on lemmy, the most productive place of all time, not a place I go off shitposting.
Idk how you don’t understand that people are supportive of the fact he killed a ceo.
If I was to fully describe the irony that is happening here it is this: “Hexbear culture is now seemingly tolerating if not out and out celebrating a fascist for something he’s done, but will not tolerate a fascist in order to get them to do something they would find worthy of celebration.”
You understand it’s a shit post forum that isn’t that serious but simultaneously think all the shitposting about this guy is 100% sincere (and also take the cops at their word immediately). You’re either just being a dickhead to argue for the sake of it or are genuinely confused and lack the awareness to recognize it. Either way 👍
There is absolutely zero credible evidence this is actually the shooter, I can't believe you are claiming to be a serious person while taking feds/NYPD at their word and in the same breath claiming to just be here to shitpost.
You're still talking for some reason, so i guess I've changed my mind, you and your bad argument need a good drubbin'
No matter who you are now, if you are a yank or westerner? chances are you were once a liberal, cuz that's where we all start.
Liberal brainworms are lost throughout the life cycle of all leftists, and you have one in particular i'd have you expunge.
Your specific bug is: coming into this thread to make a very specific point, phrasing it in such a way as to foment argument, and engaging in ad-hominem. (Do not @ me with the literal definition of liberal holmes, i see your fingers twitchin')
Whatever you claim your politics are, the words you use itt have that hallmark-huff of pigshit on em what tells me you've got a lot more reading on logic to do before you are able to hold useful discussions. Until then, you are a liberal. Sorry, i don't make the rules.
Since you claim you read theory i sure hope this means youre capable of changing your mind, cuz i'd like to watch you grow beyond this puerile bad-faith shit-stirrin crap.
You'll start by understanding on a deep level that you're average. You're not dumb by any means but remember! You're not above average either, ok? Don't take it from me, tell yourself this, even if you don't believe it. It's the only way you'll rise above lib-level posting.
i'm not even saying that to get you angry, it sure would be neat if i could somehow word this in a way to prove what i want is you to be better than this.
If nothing else, Leftists need to be convincing and focused and what you're serving is harmful noise. Do you have the empathetic intelligence necessary to understand what i mean by "useless and harmful", even if you disagree? Can you see why others besides myself might be unimpressed? Prove it. Prove it in silence, understanding that the strong emotions you are feeling inside do not translate as your having something of substance to say.
Outside of this thread, could you defend the posts and attitude you took today to your leftist peers?
You’re still talking for some reason, so i guess I’ve changed my mind, you and your bad argument need a good drubbin’
I can't wait spank me daddy.
No matter who you are now, if you are a yank or westerner? chances are you were once a liberal, cuz that’s where we all start.
Already off to a bad start. I was born in the Ukranian SSR. My software is Marxist-Leninist from birth.
Liberal brainworms are lost throughout the life cycle of all leftists, and you have one in particular i’d have you expunge.
Spank me daddy.
Your specific bug is: coming into this thread to make a very specific point, phrasing it in such a way as to foment argument, and engaging in ad-hominem. (Do not @ me with the literal definition of liberal holmes, i see your fingers twitchin’)
Oh no I was mean???? How could I be so mean and so incendiary. Could It be because I am shit posting?
Whatever you claim your politics are, the words you use itt have that hallmark-huff of pigshit on em what tells me you’ve got a lot more reading on logic to do before you are able to hold useful discussions. Until then, you are a liberal. Sorry, i don’t make the rules.
Everyone who is mean to me is a lib. I don't make the rules.
You’ll start by understanding on a deep level that you’re average. You’re not dumb by any means but remember! You’re not above average either, ok? Don’t take it from me, tell yourself this, even if you don’t believe it. It’s the only way you’ll rise above lib-level posting.
Lmao good one, you want me to send you a head shot so you can use the calipers?
If nothing else, Leftists need to be convincing and focused and what you’re serving is harmful noise.
Ah yeah shitposting on the shitposting site is harmful noise if you're shitposting in the wrong direction.
Outside of this thread, could you defend the posts and attitude you took today to your leftist peers?
Yes. This is stupid online noise that doesn't actually mean anything, my leftist peers in real life do actual organizing with me and also shitpost online when they're bored.
Now while i understand why you mentioned organizing irl (its a great humblebrqg to make forum-posters feel bad) inspecifically told you i wanted for you to rise above the purile on a forum, because outside of this moment, you and i talking here, you don't exist.
I didn't ask you to humblebrag about your leftist cred, (the.... empty way you claim it too, bringing up your "organizing" simply to defend your arrogance makes me feel worry for them).
What you claim to do irl means nothing to me. Why would it?
i asked you if your peers would think well of your actions. I asked if you had empathetic intelligence. I asked if you could be better. You answered me fuckin brilliantly.
What a cryin fuggen shame
i wanted for you to rise above the purile on a forum,
What are you even talking about? Rise above the puerile???
This is a forum that has a built in emoji for pig poop on balls, and even a count down timer version. This is the place for puerile.
Ok. Thats the most insulting thing you've said this whole time. Disengage.
Have you tried starting a book club.?
Between this and your other replies on this post, I feel like we're mere inches from getting an (I'm guessing) "anarchist" version of the Dirty Ushanka copypasta. Exciting times
No everything has to be serious at all times and we cannot find any humor in the absurdity of hell world.
The last time I smiled was on November 15th, 2011.
I wear an unwashed battlevest at all times, cannot grow hair, and do not bathe because that would violate the non-aggression pact with my skin microbiome.
Every day I liberate and consume 35 buns from the Jack in the Box dumpster. I eat them randomly throughout the day because set mealtimes are a weapon of the state. Any extra I use to cultivate a custom strain of Penicillin in the event that the bacteria violates the NAP first.
I do not sleep on a bed, that would be putting myself above furniture and I will not participate in the creation of a hierarchy. There is a maple tree that allows me to rest my head on its lowest branch in exchange for my labor in chasing off the woodpecker. I do not actually chase away the woodpecker, I bribe it with bugs from the dumpster. The bugs started it by biting me when I was finding bread.
In the evenings I barter for a can of PBR. I only open it if I cannot find a police officer to throw it at.
Food Not Bombs banned me when I glassed another volunteer for asking if I would give them one of my buns. I did not stab them for wanting the bun, I stabbed them for using the word "give" which would imply a charitable relationship rather than mutual assistance. I will not be forced into a hierarchy. I let them keep the bottle as a token of goodwill.
I will not allow plumbing in my house because plumbing is a weapon of the state. Every shit I take is taken on the flag of a state that should not exist. I dispose of my shit flags by lighting them on fire and throwing them at their respective embassies. I am running out of embassies.
My house is an assemblage of tents recovered from Occupy Wall Street in the middle of Liberty Park. I am still occupying wall street. They forgot to check the sewers.
I have a single friend in this world and it is a liver fluke named Emma that I met after ingesting spoiled pottage on 9/11 while protesting outside the Pentagon security checkpoint (I am outraged that a plane crash received more media coverage than my four year long protest. I did enjoy the vibes).
I have neither income nor debt. I refuse to touch money because it is issued by the state.
The IRS has a grudge against me because the trust fund my grandfather left me has never paid taxes. This was his attempt to force me into a hierarchy. I will not touch the trust because money is a weapon of the state.
I own 97 Mossberg shotguns that I have liberated from police cruisers. I left every shell behind because lead is bad for the environment. I have a single shotshell loaded with steel turkey shot that I bartered from a hunter for half of a Natural American Spirit cigarette.
My PhDs in Computer Science and 19th century Russian philosophy sit on my desk in my home to remind me of the hierarchical nature of education. My desk is the frame from my medical diploma. I leave it on the ground because sitting on a chair would force the chair below me in a hierarchy.
My chair is a Herman Miller Aeron that I liberated from Twitter headquarters when everyone was focusing on Elon Musk's sink. The chair agreed that coming with me would be mutually beneficial. The chair and I have been seeking consensus on a mutually beneficial seating arrangement for two years.
During the latest BLM protests I firebombed a Nikes outlet in the middle of a peaceful candlelit vigil.
William F Buckley and I wrote hatemail to one another for 47 years until my final letter gave him an aneurysm. My letters were hand delivered on bricks I liberated from Home Depot.
The only water I drink is from puddles.
The Wachowskis and I dropped estrogen together during a Soros-funded summer camp for aspiring crisis actors and they went on to write The Matrix about our time together.
The best way to test whether an electrical wire is live is to drool on it and shrimp salad is racist. Uncle Ted taught me his preferred mixing ratio for smokeless powder but also told me that black powder is more fun.
Every time a business owner files a restraining order against me, I carve a mark into the wall.
I am running out of walls.
When Amerikkka finally collapses I will be able to retire.
I am very smart and people like being around me.
I'm in the presence of the divineFuck. New copypasta detected. This is a work of fucking art.
I think it's really funny because half of the people replying are mad at me for me for "not being serious"/calling me a lib and the other half think I'm about to post Dirty Ushanka.
I think it's really funny
Times like this I miss UlyssesT
its not like he can undead the CEO
If he could, would that be based or cringe? He's an Ivy League guy, so his family probably has access to one of those good grimoires that let you raise wights instead of simple zombies, so on the one hand, he could get up to all kinds of CEO-on-CEO shenanigans, but on the other hand, that would also make him a wight supremacist.
Good post lmao
AP published
adding this detail is such a hilarious example of lib brain
do not interpret this to mean that i think that luigi is good
Death to America
I'm currently coping and seething because the guy with a "Death to America" siggy on a forum thought my phrasing was a little cringe despite having an anarchist historian portmanteau user name. I'm literally neurodivergent and a miner.
If you had 2 braincells to rub together you'd understand that, the AP as an imperial liberal outlet would have a vested interest in showing this man as a puerile enemy of the state rather than creating apologetics ex nihilio around his views.
I'm currently coping and seething
what?
Death to America
noooo it got removed we got robbed of the comedy of saying (paraphrase from memory) "I got called cringe despite having an anarchist historian portmanteau username! I am literally [...] a miner[sic]!"
let's all instead pretend that cops are always 100% trustworthy
I mean, I don't even fully believe that this is the shooter, which makes all of the fantasies about him being some sort of avatar for working class resentment even more silly from my perspective. As far as I know he's just a guy with shitty beliefs and opinions who may or may not be getting strung up for a crime he didn't do, which like isn't good but I think some people are being a little goofy about this.
I think two things are at play
1: The folk hero stuff is clearly just memes. I don’t think anyone here genuinely thinks there’s a movement to be built around the guy. But it’s the internet and it’s basically the main way we know how to engage in things.
2: the act itself separate from the perpetrator is just cathartic and something to rally behind. It could have been anyone doing it and people would have been like “well at least a ceo got shot.” For sure everyone would prefer it have happened for ideological reasons that align with our sensibilities but it’s one of those things where the situation represents more than the person involved
For sure, I get those things. People are excited by that catharsis, especially since there's been few opportunities to feel a real W in recent years. That being said, I don't think it's productive for people here to be getting on each other's case about Based Shooter? Cringe shooter? Are you a liberal for dismissing propaganda of the deed? etc etc.
If we're not pretending that cops are always 100% trustworthy (to call back to btfod's comment) then this should also apply to the notion that Luigi is the shooter. If we're not sure that Luigi is the shooter, then we should probably exercise some restraint here.
Yea I don’t think it’s worth blowing out of proportion anymore than to the level I kinda gave it in my last comment. He’s a goober who fell ass backwards into something in and of itself is kinda based ig, may or may not even be the shooter, whatever lol
Tbh maybe I’m missing stuff but I’ve only seen a few people really getting up and arms about it and they’re relatively new accounts so take that for what it is.
the only things I'm sure of are not to trust the cops, and to be gracious with everyone else. restraint seems prudent, I agree.
I mean, I’d like a primary source. I don’t trust AmeriKKKan “news” orgs to do anything but bootlick the cops, breathlessly reprint their press releases, and join in the attempts to quell unrest or class consciousness after events like this one.
I’m still hoping for more radicalization and adventurism even if this guy is a
and is also actually the culprit. I still got excited when McConnell’s sister-in-law ate shit in one of Elmo’s bazinga cars.
Lol CEO down 
Most Americans are bootlickers, he doesn't need to be the ideologically perfect specimen to say he did damn good in one regard.
Shit's bigger than him anyway. Look at the reaction. Look at the conversation that's starting.
Whatever his other tech-bro views are - I haven't seen a single miss in regards to how ghoulish the private healthcare system is and what needs to be done to fix it. That's what we should be looking at. That's what he did. When a politician has a shit take it's bad because they have power over things. This is just a young man, the only power he had he used in a good way. Unless he starts soapboxing about some other shit now that he could get some attention I really don't care.
Pretend what though? I don't understand
Pretend that he's something more than every other lone wolf shooter who are typically alienated people with Neo-reactionary beliefs of various levels of seriousness.
Ah yeah i don't see that particular cope myself, maybe im inna wrong thread. If Luigi is in fact our boy i'll still take him warts and all. If he had good politics or a marxist reading list those books wouldn't be shared by the feds anyhow, right? The only think AP will ever show of someone like him is something they think will lower our esteem, right?
He gave me a gift. He showed me something is possible. And if others are like me and can remember that what he did is more important than what he thinks, they will remain his cheerleader. If what he accomplished is cheered, class consciousness is raised.
Will that be what follows? Maybe not with the opinion maker's media stranglehold... But that chance is only possible at all because of his actions.
First sentence:
Ah yeah i don’t see that particular cope myself
The very next sentence:
If Luigi is in fact our boy
You're in a post reporting his manifesto included bootlicking my dude. You are the cope.
Oh wait, youre just another lousy lib aren't ya? Sorry, i mistook you for a serious person.
Your application for my time has been denied
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough.
stay mad about whatever it is you're mad about
I love these comments more than the actual attempts to rehab this dude because "being mad" is literally the undercurrent that drives the rehabilitation. I frankly don't give a shit about this guy anymore. I'm simply tired of seeing this lazy shit on my page, and waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Then log off. You’re not being Ludovico’d with hexbear threads
Yeah there’s been a lot of copium since it turns out he’s not even remotely left wing
Easy: death of the author. If this is the guy his work is already out there for people to interpret & draw their own conclusions from, his own intentions/views don't really matter.
The assassination of a health insurance CEO was met with widespread popular support. We saw people with signs & banners with the message the shooter left at the scene. It's still too early to say but we may get copycats following in their footsteps.
The shooters own views/reasons matter less than what people take away from this, and it seems like the takeaway is plenty of Americans (and others) support killing health insurance executives.
This site underestimates the stupidity of American people and their thoughts