Everything in Moderation

https://feddit.uk/post/290116

The comments under the post is listed as 5, but there only 3 comments in the post

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1601077

> If you want, please add your tips to the comments. > > Here are mine - just a bunch of opinions/suggestions from someone who used to be a forum mod, then a subreddit mod. > > As this is a rather big wall of text, I'll split it into sections, contained within spoiler tags. > > ::: spoiler Mindset and duty. > > A happy mod is a good mod. Take care of your personal life first. > > Your comm[unity] is not your personal possession or project, it's a collective effort. You're just its representative - be humble but proud about it. > > Use your comm as any other user would. Be active in it, interact with other users, discuss, learn, have fun. > > If you don't enjoy your comm any more, for whatever reason, pass the torch to newer mods. > > Check your comm at least a few times per day. A quick peek is fine for slower comms. > > It's useful to follow the RSS feed of the comms that you moderate, as it'll be quicker to spot rule-breaking posts. You can do it here: > > ! > > In days that your comm is too slow, specially at the beginning, it's your job to provide content for your comm. > > ::: > > ::: spoiler Recruitment > > Avoid recruiting mods who: > > * never post/comment in your comm, or only did it after you announced "we want new mods" > * asked over and over to be a mod > * already mod lots of other comms > * claim to have a "vision" about your comm, and propose 9001 drastic changes for it\*. > * rush towards certainty on things that they cannot reliably know (intrinsically unfair) > * cannot reasonably infer things from context (ditto) > > \*Major exception: if your comm got some biiiig problem, and nobody seems to be able to solve it. > > If you get multiple people willing to mod, you can be a bit pickier. Use open-ended questions to trial them. Ideally new mods should: > > * be active members of the comm > * work well alongside the rest of the mod team. (are they strict rule enforcers, or more on the "let users have fun" side?) > * active in different hours than the rest of the mod team. (e.g. night owls, different longitudes, etc.) > > A lazy mod is less worse than a well-intentioned but dumb mod. > > ::: > > ::: spoiler Rules and their enforcement > > You do not know the users' intentions, thoughts or beliefs. However, you do know how they behave and what they say. Use the later, not the former, in your rules. > > If a rule cannot be enforced, it is not a rule. It's at most a request. > > Enforce rules by spirit, but the letter should follow fashion. There's some room to be sloppy with this with smaller comms, but not the bigger ones. > > Do not enforce "hidden rules". If there's some shitty behaviour that needs to be addressed, do it in the open. > > Do not enforce new rules retro-actively. You're just creating more work for yourself and pissing off users, for no good reason. > > Be succinct when phrasing the rules. If necessary/desired, write down two versions of it: > > * short version - addressing what users can/can't/need do in broad strokes, without "why". Keep it in the side panel, visible at all times. > * long version - addressing specificities of each rule, as well as reasoning. Keep it in a post or similar. > > Synchronise changes in all versions of your rules. Few things confuse users the most than rule disparity. > > If your comm got more than seven rules, it's probably already too much. Consider merging them. > > It's fine to use imperative in the rules ("do this", "don't do that"), as it's succinct and you're in a position to do so. > > Every rule has a grey area, of things that are only arguably rule-breaking content. Try to minimise the grey area when possible, but keep in mind that you'll never get rid of it. > > Beware the fluff principle: voting alone will allow only the lowest common denominator content to the top, and shove down well thought content that is hard to judge. Take that into account when creating rules. > > ::: > > ::: spoiler Handling other users > > Ask community input periodically. Don't use votes for this, let other users speak their mind. > > Input from rule-lawyers is surprisingly useful to find issues in your rules. And a few people will be abler to phrase your own rules better than you do. > > Even then, asking community input is not an excuse to relay responsibility. You're still the mod. > > It's useful to keep notes of a few users from your comm: > > * notes about good, specially engaged and helpful users might be useful later on, as you're recruiting newer mods > * notes about bad users are useful for rule enforcement. Certain types of bad behaviour are only revealed in long-term tendencies. > > Activity of your comm's users outside your own comm should be only taken into account as much as it might predict their future activity in your comm. There are a few corner cases to do so, but by default you're better off not doing this. > > Don't feel afraid to upstream reports of specially problematic users to the admins of your instance. Specially if they're more on the stricter side. > > This is debatable, but I personally believe that a few types of users, regardless of their intentions, should be handled as you would handle trolls and shitposters. They are: > > * witch hunters: users who point fingers at other specific users without rational grounds to do so > * entitled, bossy or whiny users: users who are eager to tell other users what to do, for their own sake > * obtuse users: users who "conveniently" pretend to not read or understand counter-arguments of other users in discussions > * assumers: users who are prone to say things that they cannot reliably know, specially about other users. (A superset for witch hunters.) > > This sort of user is prone to piss off other users, specially the most contributive ones. > > When there's a fight between users, typically, at least one of them is stupid. Make sure to know which one (or if both) before intervening. > > :::

There's a discussion over on Privacy Guides@lemmy.one about using Matrix/Element (an open messaging protocol and leading client) for secure DMs on here, as you can add your Matrix ID to your account here and it becomes a secure messaging link on your profile. If I've done it right, you can see this in my profile as well as various ones in the first link.

However, it strikes me that, as a federated alternative to end-to-end encrypted messaging apps like WhatsApp, because you can start groups (public or private) and share your contact information without having to give out your mobile phone number, it might be useful for a team of moderators to discuss moderating issues on their community. At least until we get proper moderating tools and encrypted messaging here.

Anyway, worth considering as the community expands and we need to draft in more help. It certainly gave me the kick in the pants to register an account there. Even though I did a lot of reading on the subject and installed the app a few months back, I couldn't see the usefulness to myself at that point. However, just having a means to enable secure DMs on here suddenly shifted it up my list of things to do. If it helps with moderating communities on here, then that's gravy.

There are lists that provide the equivalent communities to Reddit subs. It should aid discovery and help provide a more seamless user experience for those who have yet to make the jump, so consider adding any communities that you start:

• sub.rehab
• Reddit Migration Directory
• Unofficial Subreddit Migration List (Lemmy, Kbin)

Hat tip

I started Request a Feddit.uk community and would be OK with starting some communities but I'd be looking to hand over the reigns asap as I don't have the knowledge or time to get it moving and keep it moving.

And that brings me to my first stumbling block - how to add and remove moderators (the latter including myself).

After some Googling I found a 2021 request to make adding a moderator more intuitive, so I was able to find that but only in the web interface not the Jerboa for Lemmy app - you click the three vertical dots of someone's post in that community and it gives you the option to make them a moderator. Screenshot attached to this post.

Have better options been added that I can't find?

Then, how do you remove a moderator including yourself? This 2020 post asks this and the answer would appear to be that, at the time, you can't remove yourself (partly to prevent unmoderated communities) but another moderator can remove you. Has this changed? I could see it leading to coups if any moderator can kick another out (it would be better to discuss any disputes) and doesn't stop a moderator from just ignoring a community, so it is effectively unmoderated.

Thought this was necessary so people can ask about how to moderate things.

If anyone wants to be a moderator here then let me know. Which brings me to my first question...