Don't know what to tell you. If you don't see the issue with taking another person's labor and exploiting it for your own capital gain, then I don't know why you're even leftist. You sound more like an opportunist at that point.
So capitalism, what I've been calling the problem this whole time?
Cool.
Corporations are the problem because they are exploiting and stealing other people's generated labor for capital gain.
There it is!
If someone else is doing that, it's still bad, because that's how corporations are started.
Boy oh boy, I had no idea people profited from their posts on Lemmy. Clearly I'm missing out!
You're right, capitalism is a problem. Abolishing capitalism is more important than fighting progress in AI development.
Ding ding ding!
But we aren't doing that. We aren't there.
Some are. Why aren't you focused on helping those folks rather than complain about a symptom of the problem?
So AI's current existence and commercial implementation is a net negative to society at large.
Just the commercial use, and how its been done.
How does that, in any way, relate to people making images and posting them to Lemmy? That some of them used a model that contained other peoples works? In what possible way does that relate to people posting their generated images to Lemmy?
example thats just capitalism as the problem
And yeah, I'm not generally that worried about people with their own LLMs or whatever. But they're not exactly free tools. Not everyone has equal access to them.
You can download them and use them, there are a ton of resources out there, both with and without the materials you're concerned a out, freely available and shared.
There is even a completely free AI horde available right here, with peoples donated resources. Thats about as accessible as it can be made.
More stuff where capitalism is the problem
So... what's your point? Fuck trying to fix things, everyone just do whatever you want, it's the end of days, hopefully revolution comes on its own?
My point is to focus on the actual problem, not be distracted by the latest method of exploitation. There is always another method, and focusing on just what's in front let's more line up behind it.
Original point: some people (didn't say me) think it's immoral.
And it always comes to this immorality being based in this point:
Secondary point: IP laws aren't inherently immoral, they conceptually exist to protect laborers from having their labor exploited by people with more existing capital.
So.... Capitalism
They aren't even good in their current implementation, but believing in some form of IP law under capitalism is essentially a socialist policy.
..... Wut?
Third point: When most people think of AI, they think of corporate use.
Yup.
Literally no one gives a flying fuck about your personal models trained on your personal data
Comments made across this post, as well as the mass down votes of AI communities, would absolutely disagree with you.
Since thats the entire subject here, seems like misplaced anger dont you think?
Fourth point: It's more important to worry about where we are at than where we want to be. And look around. AI is a problem, and it needs regulation, and regulation of it includes protecting ACTUAL artists.
I agree that you can't ignore things happening right now, but AI has not decimated the workforce. I even gave examples of people who do contracted creative work who explicitly said AI got them work because the work needed to be redone.
Ask any programmer how much they would trust an ai generated application. Let me know when you find one who says anything other than a wild laugh (that doesnt call themselves a vibe coder, pro tip, that is not a programmer).
And then let me know when you can tell me how any of this relates to people posting images to Lemmy.
I think intellectual property is a functional element of capitalism, and capitalism is a problem. I support people directly, and could not care less about anyone downloading content. I also support the local art scene, through events and direct purchase of works.
That doesn't mean that I think intellectual property (as a product) is sensible in any way.
That said, all my models are personally trained on my own data, and maybe a public domain based model for basic language to put context to a detected issue. That doesnt mean I'm going to put down folks who use a local model trained on some degree of copyright works, because no matter what, those users aren't the problem. Corporations are.
Because capitalism is a problem.
I think it's a more fair statement to say almost anyone hating on AI is usually referring to corporate AI in the first place.
I'd say its more accurate that the people who constantly hate on AI are ignorant of the tools and their use, and most often their position is nothing more than "capitalism is the problem" (see above) whether they realize it or not.
And some will even go on to defend capitalism, which makes it even weirder to me.
And considering some of the comments across this post, I'd say my perception is pretty accurate.
"Fixing capitalism" is just ending capitalism, the problems are inherent in its design.
In any case, you seem to be under the impression that all AI is just chatgpt, copilot, Gemini, grok, meta, etc. This is not the case. There are models trained entirely on peoples own work/material, models trained only on public domain materials, etc. Its just software and data, and the issue you are taking is - from your example - a capitalism problem, and has nothing to do with the software.
So what you're saying now reads no differently than "We have to fix capitalism before we can advocate for Linux!"
At work, a CTO for a firm we were designing a solution for got upset because hardware was in customs, and tariffs needed to be paid.
He didn't understand why the manufacturer wasn't paying, and it had to be pointed out (by someone from the other company bringing this hardware) that tariffs are a tax on importing, not exporting, and for every single contract they have ever had, tariffs are paid by the client.
This was not a small company, either. We're talking about a fairly large firm in finance. And the CTO didn't understand how tariffs work.
I'd also mention most users on db0 are far more likely to be using fully open models and models they've trained themselves (which is what I do, mostly log/error eval stuff).
That said, "fixing" AI will solve nothing, because capitalism is going to find yet another way to screw them over. Banning AI tomorrow isn't going to provide job security or a stable income, it wasn't before and it isn't now.
I work with a lot of creatives, and so many are contract based and struggle between them. Several of them have been finding work cleaning up (as in, creating new) materials that were AI generated and look terrible.
So again, the issue is capitalism, and AI is just the most recent conversation piece. AI isn't the root of the problem, nor is the problem "solved" without it.
Yup, was getting an uber (I can't drive for very long or the pain starts), he was chatty and excited about Trump.
Asked what he thought about the anti-immigrant talk (oh obviously thats the bad ones!), and the fact that there was a pandemic and prices skyrocketed (Biden's fault even though that all started before he was in office), etc. Paraphrased obviously.
I don't know what can possibly be said to these folks to have them understand, but as a result, we have... Well all this current nonsense.
My mistake then, it read (to me) like you were saying you down voted once, in each of the communities you were banned from.
Then all I could guess was timing. Multiple communities might depend on what client they are using, but in any case a single downvote to a ban rings as mod silliness to me, I agree.
So capitalism, what I've been calling the problem this whole time?
Cool.
There it is!
Boy oh boy, I had no idea people profited from their posts on Lemmy. Clearly I'm missing out!
Ding ding ding!
Some are. Why aren't you focused on helping those folks rather than complain about a symptom of the problem?
Just the commercial use, and how its been done.
How does that, in any way, relate to people making images and posting them to Lemmy? That some of them used a model that contained other peoples works? In what possible way does that relate to people posting their generated images to Lemmy?
You can download them and use them, there are a ton of resources out there, both with and without the materials you're concerned a out, freely available and shared.
There is even a completely free AI horde available right here, with peoples donated resources. Thats about as accessible as it can be made.
My point is to focus on the actual problem, not be distracted by the latest method of exploitation. There is always another method, and focusing on just what's in front let's more line up behind it.
And it always comes to this immorality being based in this point:
So.... Capitalism
..... Wut?
Yup.
Comments made across this post, as well as the mass down votes of AI communities, would absolutely disagree with you.
Since thats the entire subject here, seems like misplaced anger dont you think?
I agree that you can't ignore things happening right now, but AI has not decimated the workforce. I even gave examples of people who do contracted creative work who explicitly said AI got them work because the work needed to be redone.
Ask any programmer how much they would trust an ai generated application. Let me know when you find one who says anything other than a wild laugh (that doesnt call themselves a vibe coder, pro tip, that is not a programmer).
And then let me know when you can tell me how any of this relates to people posting images to Lemmy.