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YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • in, as much as possible, a non-confrontational way, i'd love to hear why you think that.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • you are saying this in english, to a (self-)selected demographic subset of english speakers. you are encouraging a particular set of people not to have children. that's eugenics. unless you can find a way to convey this message to everyone, at once, in an identical message given cultural and other contexts, you will be biasing the message to be more effective among some segment of the populous.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • the graphic you posted comes from this article, which shows it is based on poore-nemecek 2018. i've detailed teh problems with this study in another top-level comment here, but, basically, it's not good science. i feel you're spreading misinformation.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • i regard all antinatalism as ecofascism. i'm not asking you to change my mind, i'm letting you know you might be participating in a eugenics campaign.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • i think at this point we've devolved into arguing semantics. you're not going to convince me soybean is a viable crop unless you can press it for oil, and i don't think i can convince you it's a viable product unless the meal is fed to livestock. but i hope you have a good night!

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • Were those individuals that would have eaten beef chose to eat beef for those future meals, then demand would be even higher with even higher climate impacts.

    first, you can't prove a counterfactual. second there's no reason to believe that meat production could grow any faster.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • And for those people that eat fewer beef meals that does help.

    there's no reason to believe that. production grows every year, year-over-year.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • You can't counter "raising enough cows to supply our current meat demand takes a lot of resources we could be eating instead" with "its okay for them to eat grass :D"

    this conversation didn't happen.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • overall arable farmland usage goes down the less meat you eat.

    I don't think that has ever happened.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • some studies show soybean oils being as much as half the value of the crop, despite being just 20% of the weight.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • hexane solvents are not the most common method of oil extraction. you have been misinformed.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • some people are eating fewer beef meals

    • "Oh, but Robert E. Lee was such a Southern Gentleman!"

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  • so I have learned

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • this is a strawman

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • the first time in probably a year i've seen someone explain supply and demand correctly. thank you.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • not all land is suitable for crops. letting cattle graze it is fine.

    • "Oh, but Robert E. Lee was such a Southern Gentleman!"

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  • Your argument wasn’t that cows are different than dogs

    that's all i've been arguing this whole time.

    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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    • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • Any fewer beef meals you have helps.

    i don't think that's true, if meat production continues to grow.