Blaze (he/him) @ Blaze @lemmy.dbzer0.com Posts 132Comments 1,157Joined 2 yr. ago
OP, FYI I pinged you on this post but it was probably drown in the replies to your posts: https://lemm.ee/post/55244676
If you want to try out your approach (Photon as default, probably some communities hidden from the All feed), feel free to create a community dedicated to that project. You can probably promote it here and on a few other communities. The biggest challenge is probably going to find an admin wanting to give this a try.
I wanted to do something similar a months ago ( https://lemm.ee/post/52588852 ), but no admin was interested. Maybe you'll have more luck.
People are still on Twitter while the owner makes Nazi salutes and Bluesky is a 1:1 replacement feature-wise with a modern interface. People just don’t like to move.
think tank
Not sure if on purpose or not ha ha
If you joined a German-speaking WoW server as a non-speaking German, the experience was going to be subpar
I completely agree we’ll be replaced by a BSky alternative if we don’t fix this
There's no appeal for text-based forums nowadays. How people do you know in real life who use Reddit? Most of the people are on IG/TikTok/Twitter.
People are still on Twitter while the owner makes Nazi salutes and Bluesky is a 1:1 replacement feature-wise with a modern interface. People just don't like to move.
Be careful that IIRC Reddit blocked the phtn URL and would automatically remove comments mentioning it.
Not sure if it's still the case now, but just a warning.
It's on a Bluesky community, there's a serious bias in those votes
Text-based forums are a niche. The vast majority of the population doesn't like that format. There's a reason no Bluesky has emerged, the appeal is just not there.
About Bluesky, there was an app that allowed "Reddit view" (so threads with votes). Can't find it back right now, the search mostly show Flashes, the Instagram alternative, which probably reflects the larger interest for that type of format.
Text-based forums are a niche. The vast majority of the population doesn't like that format. There's a reason no Bluesky has emerged, the appeal is just not there.
About Bluesky, there was an app that allowed "Reddit view" (so threads with votes). Can't find it back right now, the search mostly show Flashes, the Instagram alternative, which probably reflects the larger interest for that type of format.
Counterpoint: there are some communities here who moved from Reddit because their sub was banned. I'm not going to tell which ones to avoid brigading, but let's just say that they have a very average tech level. And average for the general population, not Lemmy.
They do here just fine. Someone posted a guide on their sub with three steps
- register on the instance the community is logged
- install Voyager
- subscribe to the community
The community has been active for more than 6 months now, and doing just fine.
Sync and Boost were literally clones from their Reddit versions. Desktop interface isn't the best, but desktop users are supposedly more tech savvy than mobile, so having a p.instance name for Photon, Alexandrite and Tesseract in the sidebar is acceptable (eventually pinned post for new joiners).
People are always going to complain about stuff
- defederation breaks the platform (the vast majority of instances are still federated)
- interface is bad (see Sync and Boost)
- there's no content (there's enough generic content, of course niche content is on Reddit, but forums are not marriage, you can go to multiple places at the same time)
- devs are tankies (they can't do anything on other instances)
- instances are going to shut down (most of them are funded via donations)
I made a post on Reddit a while ago if people are interested https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1fmuk7o/post_to_address_the_usual_criticism_about_lemmy/
Something like https://phtn.app/ really should be the default
Disclaimer: Photon is great and the dev does a fantastic job. Also, the beta is open, please give them feedback on !photon@lemdro.id
However, there as still issues induced by not using the default UI. One of the instances I used added photon as p.instance for a while
Photon was still in early stages, and there was a bug preventing it to load for some people (Firefox users IIRC). In the end the admin switched to Tesseract.
https://lemdro.id/ has photon as a Default, but it took them a while to the latest version, for quite some time it wasn't ideal. I would still go to https://l.lemdro.id/ just because the Comments view was available, or because some other info was missing/hidden.
Lemmy releases new versions quite regularly, and there are usually a few bugs. Photon development is independent, and the Photon dev has to catch-up with those. Add admins sometimes limited availability to the mix and the experience can really become subpar.
What proportion of the potential new joiners are going to use the web UI compared to an app like Sync, Thunder or Arctic?
Something like https://phtn.app/ really should be the default
Disclaimer: Photon is great and the dev does a fantastic job. Also, the beta is open, please give them feedback on !photon@lemdro.id
However, there as still issues induced by not using the default UI. One of the instances I used added photon as p.instance for a while
Photon was still in early stages, and there was a bug preventing it to load for some people (Firefox users IIRC). In the end the admin switched to Tesseract.
https://lemdro.id/ has photon as a Default, but it took them a while to the latest version, for quite some time it wasn't ideal. I would still go to https://l.lemdro.id/ just because the Comments view was available, or because some other info was missing/hidden.
Lemmy releases new versions quite regularly, and there are usually a few bugs. Photon development is independent, and the Photon dev has to catch-up with those. Add admins sometimes limited availability to the mix and the experience can really become subpar.
I'm well aware, but it's the only one available on both platforms and looks better than the default UI on mobile
I actually usually point to https://vger.app/settings/install so that people have links to their versions
If you have, then DM admins directly about that. They probably mod those communities as well, so reports never reach the admins
Indeed, I see people saying "we should just randomly assign an instance from the top 10", when hexbear (RIP) was in the top 5
Also top 10 ( https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list )
- LW
- lemm.ee
- lemmynsfw.com - not suitable
- sh.itjust.work - shit in the name, not appealing to the average user
- lemmy.ml - power tripping https://feddit.uk/post/12952230
- lemmy.dbzer0.com - requires to follow and agree the Anarchist code of Conduct - not appealing to the average user
- lemmy.ca - Canada-oriented, non-Canadian users might not want to join as they wouldn't think they would belong
- feddit.org - German-focused, https://feddit.org/c/main content is in German
- lemmy.blahaj.zone - queer-focused
- programming.dev - programmers-focused
I made a more complete analysis in this post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37336391 (pinned on !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com ), nowadays I basically go with:
" Lemmy has 47k monthly active users
- https://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
- https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU
- https://vger.app/settings/install if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions"
Because yes, the USA/EU question appeared during the Luigi announcement in LW.
"Lemmy has 47k monthly active users
- https://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
- https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU
- https://vger.app/settings/install if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions"
- !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com / https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37336391 for the reasoning behind this comment
Edit: voyager link