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It would stop the ground invasion that is about to happen.

Isreal is not going to give anything to Hamas after the massacres this week. That is no longer an option.

This is not entirely accurate. For most of history Jews were tolerated in the region, but even then they were systematically discriminated against through the legal system that would for instance not allow a Jew to testify against a Muslim in court or subject jews and other minorities to taxes not levied on Muslims.

By the late 19th and early 20th century the Muslim world began engaging in the same sort of anti-semitism and pogroms that had mostly been limited to Europe prior. This did largely have its roots in the European influence on Middle Eastern nations but nevertheless the rise in anti-semitism(for lack of a better word since most parties are semitic) in the middle east predated the formation of Isreal in 1948.

It is certainly true that this discrimination was less than they faced in Europe for most of the history of the middle east, but being better than that is a very low bar.

Starting the count from the 1940s seems pretty convenient. Jews have been a persecuted minority in the region for centuries previously.

Using history to justify atrocities will just end up in endless misery for everyone. Particularly in the middle east.

1. Contact Isreal and negotiate a surrender that would involve at minimum releasing all hostages and turning over any and all war criminals involved in the planning and execution of the massacres.

That is not something Hamas would ever consider though so we are just in the realms of fantasy at this point.

"How can we support colonisation and genocide in this day and age."

"Israel shouldn’t exist."

I think the answer was inside yourself the entire time.

I do not think you understand how bad this is going to get for Palestinians in Gaza. Hamas has just perpetrated the worst terrorist attack in Isreals history.

From everything I am reading these are not just retaliatory strikes. Isreal is preparing for a full offensive on Gaza involving tanks, artillery and infantry. This could very well end with Gaza looking like Grozny, Mariupol, or Bakhmut.

I hope that doesn't happen, but if Hamas cared at all about the Palestinian people they would do everything in their power to avoid that. Unfortunately they only care about power and I think this is going to get very ugly in the next phase of the war.

Isreal now sees Hamas as an existential threat. The only way to end the bloodshed would be Hamas offering an unconditional surrender.