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I didn't care for the musical nature of it. That aside:

The first 'Joker' clearly established that the main character was Arthur Fleck. Clearly suffering from mental illness as a result of abuse growing up, and the people he murdered were abusing him in some way. To me, as a long time Batman fan, this 'Joker' was anything but Joker.

1. He didn't take pleasure in chaos.
2. He wasn't anti-batman in anyway.
3. A clear back story that lined up with his behaviors.
4. Clearly a dude pushed too far (kind of like Killing Joke, but it didn't line up with that character's style).

However, when he was in the 'Joker' role, he became clear headed and focused. So now the 'Joker' clearly isn't Joker but the beginning of Joker?

In Folie A Deux, we see him continue to be abused, still having strange fantasies, a system failing around him, and noticably the 'Joker' character is resonating with people fed up with all sorts of bullshit. The collective desire to burn it down and restart - very com