Anon is smarter than a genius

There is a distinct type of person, very good at one thing, that is unable to understand that doesn’t translate to the rest of their life. Easiest to describe them as a high int, low wis character.
- And by good at one thing you mean exploiting people and gaslighting the media.
  
  Still incredible that people bought into "half the features twice the price" Apple products so hard that it corrupted the entire industry
- Doctors failed to communicate the situation in a way he would grasp that his choices were death or chemo. Maybe a, "that's your choice? OK, before you go, how world you like us to handle your corpse? So you want a full autopsy to confirm the cancer diagnosis, or would you prefer we didn't? Is there a particular burial home you have plans with? "
  But in all likelihood there's nothing anyone could have said to him to make him see reason.
  
  But in all likelihood there’s nothing anyone could have said to him to make him see reason.
  "The CEO after you will mess up the design of apple products"
  
  There is a real systemic problem with healthcare. I dunno if it would have applied to Jobs, but with normal patients, the quick get-in get-out assembly line–like approach to healthcare means patients don't feel well taken care of, which is a stark contrast to pseudoscientific woo-woo like chiropracty, reiki, naturopathy, and other "alternative medicine", where the practitioners take their time and make the patients feel listened to. Is it any wonder that some people, especially those of minorities that have historically tended to be treated even worse by actual medical professionals (women's "hysteria", black people "feel pain less", fat people "just need to lose weight", etc ), are becoming more likely to embrace the thing that makes them feel good, rather than the thing that actually works?
  IMO alternative medicine practitioners who discourage their customers from going to real doctors should be imprisoned. But the big problem is a lack of funding to real doctors to allow them to spend more time providing more personal care to patients.
  
  At some points, people are adults and allowed to make their own bad decisions
- I used to work as a court clerk and judges are like this. You cannot tell them anything because if they get it into their heads that they know better than you then they will completely ignore reality in favor of their own, largely arbitrary, fictional universe.
  The best incentive ever not to commit a crime is to find out how utterly dysfunctional the legal system is.
  
  The Alito brain is the end stage of this mentality.
  "'Any' limitation?? Have you considered fish and birds aren't mammals? The principal wouldn't be happy! Checkmate EPA, now you can't enforce water quality standards." -SCOTUS last week.
- See also: Nobel Disease.
- What was the one thing he was good at?
  
  People say he was good at marketing but really he was only okay at marketing. He got fined because everyone hated him. Then they completely mismanaged the company and had no choice but to bring him back, which of course just reinforced his ego.
  The truth was they could have got any moderately competent CEO and they would have brought Apple back from the brink, just as much as Steve Jobs did. Look at Tim Cook, he's not doing an obviously worse job than Jobs did, but because he doesn't have the formers aura, people rightfully call him out every time he does something stupid.
  
  I think he had a good grasp on consumer desires. Which seems to be really tough for the majority of people, perhaps business people in particular.
- Every PhD ever
- I call it the engineer disease. Good to know that other fields have it as well...
  
  Ever met a surgeon?

The behind the bastards episode will teach you a lot about this piece of shit. Wozniak is the genius, this is just another predatory businessman. Good riddance.
- Yknow, while I 90% agree with you there seems to be some element between the technical genius (Wozniak) and the idiot businessman that is Tim Apple.
  Jobs may have been a piece of shit but there’s something to be said for the uncompromising non-technical focus on UX that allowed Jobs to make the iPhone a success.
  
  And when he got cast out of Apple, his drive created NeXT, which then became MacOS X. Still, good riddance.
- Sure Wozniak invented the Apple I and II. But if he never met Jobs his inventions would have stayed a hobby and Apple would have never existed. Woz also didn’t push for an OS with a GUI (which was revolutionary back then) that was Jobs’ idea. Not to mention that Woz had nothing to do with Apple’s comeback. He has been an honorary employee since Jobs was fired. Woz is a genius but people give him way too much credit just like they do with Jobs.
  
  Jobs had no ideas. GUI, like everything else, was stolen from someone else. Apple and Microsoft both got big by stealing ideas.
  
  "Invent" is the wrong term, it's "design".
  a new idea is an invention, the implementation is a design.
- Wow, they made 4 episodes about him, each over an hour long.
  Haven't listened to Behind The Bastards but will give this one a listen.
  
  Oh boy, welcome to the Bastards club. Brought to you by Raytheon and Blue Apron.
  
  If you like that they're all pretty solid, but I recommend you check out the MKULTRA episodes. I thought I knew about it, I didn't know the half of it. I didn't even know about the one way mirror masturbatorium.
  
  Careful, it's addicting, I've probably listened to over 100 hours of Robert Evans talking about the scum of the Earth now.
- Still remeber an interview to Buffet in his time when he used to hang with Bill Gates.
  It surprised me he considered Gates a talented investor, like he shouldn't supposed to be. I mean Warren, Bill is an investor as much as you are. Even Buffet was confused from the "tech nerd" aura of Bill.
  Same with Jobs, Musk and so on. They're just good investors (and usually despicable persons).
- Im sure the iPod was Wozniaks idea.

- Not to mention the actual pioneer of generic-text languages, the inventor of the compiler, Grace Hopper.
  https://www.biography.com/scientist/grace-hopper
  
  She was on Letterman. https://youtu.be/oE2uls6iIEU
- well one is good at selling stuff including himself
- My crusading teenage ass posted this in 2011 on social media. Nobody cared lol
  
  Fact of the matter is way more people know who Steve Jobs is compared to Dennis Ritchie, so it’s no wonder his death garnered way more attention too. But the sentiment still stands IMO
- I highly doubt the consequences of Dennis Richie not existing. Yes, his work was foundational, but he didn't do it on his own, and if he wasn't around, someone else would've filled in.
  The same is true for Steve Jobs. In fact, most of his contribution was being a jerk to people so his ideas won. He had a clear vision, but his internal implementation was... iffy.

He tried to fight P.C. with apples.
- Jesus Christ. That is fucking poetry.

I mean, fucking up is a common thing people do and is an integral part of the human condition. What should be emphasized about Jobs case is that he fucked up his own liver, learned the cause and treatments, used his wealth to cut in the waiting line to get a liver transplant, and then fucked his second liver just the same way. This is the definition of terminally stupid, and no UX focus will ever change that.
- I remember reading a story a while back about the documentary they were making on him. He had his special diet of juices and supplements and whatnot, which he claimed helped him while his liver was failing. The actor who portrayed him started following the same diet to better get in character. Only then he collapsed on set with liver problems. They did a full medical work up and basically told him whatever you're doing stop doing it because it's killing you. He went back to his normal diet and he was fine. Raising the serious question, did Steve Jobs outsmart himself to death? If he had given up all the diets and supplements and whatnot might he have lived?
  
  If he had pursued modern medical treatments rather than a sugar filled diet he might have lived. He would have to have stepped down though and he did not want to do that.
  He would also have to admit he was completely wrong about his diet and that he absolutely did not want to do as it was tied to some dumbass "philosophy" he followed.
  
  If "outsmart" is ignore people who know things because you believe you know everything....yes
  A better description would be that he treated his body the way he treated his employees. Or he let himself believe his own reality distortion field. "Outsmart" is not the word I'd choose for a narcissistic asshole who thinks he knows better but in fact does not.
- How did he fuck up his liver? Do you mean that he was doing something that caused him to develop that tumor?
  
  Jobs ate only fruit. That is a lot of sugar. Your liver doesn't like that.
- Forgot about that. I too am deeply irresponsible with my liver, but I would never ask for a second one. That's an entire human organ!

Jobs paved the way for Musk. I hate that he's so often cited as a genius to look up to in the tech world
- People mistaking Marketing people for tech genies happens to often.
  
  I find it really amusing to know Bill Gates ones made fun of him:
  "Steve's achievements are all the more impressive when you know that he couldn't look at a piece of code and know what it was."
  However he also said:
  "Clearly, he had so many skills that I didn't, but we were both a little bit pied pipers in terms of getting people to work ridiculous hours."
  Which really should tell you everything you need to know given who made the money and how many people were made to work "ridiculous hours".
  
  Maybe, but then you also have people like my brother who basically worship Jobs, and say shit like "Wozniak is expendable."
  I told him people like Wozniak are the real geniuses who actually make shit work, and he told me straight faced that without people like Jobs people like Wozniak will probably just have a desk job.
- The behind the bastards episodes on Jobs was really eye-opening to just how awful of a leader he was
  
  It is a MASSIVE eye opener
  https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-the-terrible-secret-of-156343561/
- Not musk, the entire silicon valley fake it and hope you make it mindset. Jobs opened the door for Holmes. Jobs opened the door for Uber to completely make up a business plan. Jobs opened the door to Elon buying "founder" status. His genius contribution is in making the tech industry the batch of lying scum it is today.
  
  Which is one of the reasons I'm giving up on working in tech despite having a PhD from my home country in Telecommunications. I have skills and could learn the ones I lack but I just don't have the mindset and attitude and don't feel like developing them. I'd rather code my own projects in my own way while remaining underemployed.

Being rich makes you so divorced from consequences that you start to believe that what is in your brain is what is real. Money isn't what we think it is.
- Money is like radioactive material. Having a little bit in your house probably is fine but having a mountain of it will make you hole up in a Las Vegas hotel with tissue boxes for shoes
  
  Or you can become president
- These words resonate so hard with me that my head is ringing like a bell right now. “Money isn’t what we think it is.” ^5, you.

Also bought his way up the organ donor list even after he took so long ignoring it, passing over a bunch of people who should have had claim to it and some who died instead, all just so he could die anyway because he took too long to get treatment. Failed so hard multiple people died.
- Source on this? I read that Tim Apple offered a donation and Steve refused. I have not read that he had the surgery.
  
  You can literally just look on Wikipedia. Tim cook offered part of his, jobs said "nah I want a whole one from some poor person" and the rest is history.
  
  He did get a transplant, in TN. Not in CA where he lived. He used his wealth to add himself to a areas with more donors and fewer on the wait list because he could hop on a jet unlike normal plebians.

He believed in apple until his end. Hey-0!

Only fanboys. The same kind that worship Musk or any other fellated-by-the-press CEO as some kind of hero. They softball any criticisms and turn them into positives - “He murdered a bunch of kids, but the creativity he got from the blood splatter and time spent in court-ordered community service got us this addictive device we’re all fawning over…let’s justify the ridiculous price and wait in line for one!” Something about objectively shitty people heading up organizations seems to attract sycophants and bootlickers.
- Only fanboys.
  Oh I wish. It’s more like 2/3 of American society, and I’m sure plenty of others around the world. But if you wanted to cast a wide net and call them fanboys of the rich, I guess that’s fair.
  If you are worth billions, and even moreso if you are a business leader and therefore “earned” those billions, then “worship” is the right word. They are not just good people, but the greatest among us who should be put in charge of everything. (Enter our new emperor)

Imagine how insufferable he would be today.
- Couldn't be worse than Muskrat.
  
  I shudder thinking about the bullshit these two would spill being together on Joe Rogan.

Back on the old site on one of those text based subreddits there was a question posted:
Would you rather have free WiFi wherever you go, or any apple product you wish at any time.
My (then unrotted) brain was like: mmh WiFi everywhere is good, but apple cake, apple pie, apple sauce, apple spritz, apple cider, apple strudel, dried apples... Yeah I'm going with apple products
- Wifi might become obsolete some time in the future, but apple pie is eternal.
  
  Until Jimbo fucks it.

Before he died, he did say it was one of his biggest regrets.
- "one of", not "the"? Now I'm wondering what could someone like him regret more than the choice that literally killed him?
  
  "Sometimes, late at night, when I can't sleep, and it's just me, alone with my thoughts... I just... I can't help but feel... I should've called it Pear."
  
  Maybe his tumultuous relationship with his daughter Lisa
  
  His #1 regret was not being a bigger douchebag which according to many experts was already an impossible feat.
  
  "This is like, top five worst things in my life. Easily."

I never like to let people forget the raw fruit diet comes from a cult that believes people from Venus told us that's the key to eternal life
- So they went ahead and picked the least habitable planet in our entire solar system to harbor a civilization? They should have said Europa, at least then it would have been moderately believable.
  
  That's just how good fruit is for you, you can even live on Venus no problem
- Tell me more!
  
  let me refer you to my good friend Valiant Thor (yes that's his name) who is a real bona-fide Venusian alien who is definitely a great person to give you health advice.
- Fruit is really good for you! I try to eat a lot every day. It could help prevent illness. Won't cure it though!
  Seriously kiwis are so good and two big ones are only 100 calories. An entire pint of blueberries is only around 170, and they are both fantastic nutritionally. Eat other stuff too though, for sure.
  
  Between fruit and beans, an entire family can turn it up

Steve jobs ain't a genius. He was just a good salesman.
- The sales people almost always end up doing well in companies. And then when they get high up in the company they only value others ability to make sales and work for bonuses. As time goes on a company's e-suite gets more and more saturated with charismatic dummies who will do anything for a buck, leaving less room for good administrators and engineers.
  
  Small thing, but I've never heard it called an e-suite, only c-suite. I assume the "e" stands for executive vs the "c" being chief.

I was reading an interesting article the other day about how after World War II people were obviously opposed to populism, and by the '80s and certainly the '90s people that were born after the war had lost the awareness of the danger that hero worship creates.
At the same time, many organizations including government organizations had failed to update themselves over the years, so people romanticized the idea of someone walking in and magically making the correct snap judgments that would remedy the situation. This was so pervasive in the business world I think in part because it allowed corporate executives to justify f****** over ordinary employees. If the company makes or breaks because of one person at the top, who cares if you're paying people minimum wage and they can't even afford to pay for dental care or a car.
What amazed me is how long that vision of Steve Jobs stuck around. Even in recent years people have been praising him, but if you think of the value in his company, it's mostly a load of s***. Those phones and computers are incredibly overpriced, and they have so many bad aspects, especially lock-in, which most people intuitively understand these days. And still we have Apple addicts.
- This is the internet. You can say the word fucking.
  
  Especially considering it's what about 95% of all the websites are based on.
- I'm not an Apple fan, I never liked the way he dictated form and function and told everyone to fuck off about their feelings. Now that said, his leadership did bring some things to market that would not have grown organically, for better or for worse.
  The competition had to contend with good phone battery life, unibody laptops with high DPI screens, and large touchpads with physical feedback. Left to their own devices, these companies would have just kept regurgitating/iterating the same cheap designs they had made for decades.
  He wasn't magic; if he had any superpower, it was attracting and retaining talent.
  
  Jobs created toxic work environments. That’s nothing to envy. Nothing to replicate. But we’re in a capitalist society so fuck your feelings.
  
  Pretty sure Apple just packaged shit other companies made with extraordinary marketing. Like the ipod circle everybody went nuts for they settled a lawsuit with creative because of patent infringement. I actually had a creative zen and loved it because it didn't have Apple software trying to control my music library.
- Your take feels incredibly aggressive. Most people do not want to tinker, they just want their tech to work… Regarding Steve Jobs, are you saying he did not steer Apple to a level of success and prosperity that 99% other companies dream of?
  Your opinion of what is overpriced is just your opinion. Apples sales numbers says otherwise, they do not have a monopoly in any market they compete in.
  
  Regarding Steve Jobs, are you saying he did not steer Apple to a level of success and prosperity that 99% other companies dream of?
  Congratulations, you have defended ultra capitalism and the destruction of workers and competition for the personal profit of the shareholders.
  
  More like he was one person in a company and gets all the credit because society can't fathom that anybody other than the leech on top has the impact they really do

This 😂. A fucking genius choosing pseudoscience...

I'd be far more interested in learning more about the other folks on the Macintosh team. They're an amazing group of people who put a lot of care into something they believed in, Steve Jobs notwithstanding. What they did with what they had was amazing, and the fact that they got lost in Jobs' spotlight is tragic.
- https://folklore.org/

He might've been a marketing genius
Oncology... not so much

where’s the lie?

An apple a day keeps the doctor away
- true, with just an apple a day only the forensic pathologist will show up
- If you don't have anything funny to say, then don't say anything at all

Thought Apples would save him back.

being smart at something doesn't mean youre smart at everything. not that im saying that jobs was smart, but its not a given. e.g how there are scientists who are anti-vax

Destroyed computer-aided collaboration.
https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-the-modern-computer-look-and-feel/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
- Sad that an effort post is hosted on Quora
  I avoid that site like the plague
  
  Quora became good in its first years until the other co-founder was fired around 2012 (Coincidence? Who were the visionaries?). Quora stagnated until 2018 when the remaining (visionless) co-founder started enshittifying it.
  
  It's kind of an effort post. It's also just a "imagine if this other concept took off, because it didn't happen I can imagine an alternative history where it did take off" except the post doesn't exactly imagine the outcome, just seems to say "like we should have done this thing in the 60s and we didn't and look how bad capitalism is at making good things happen which is true but not an argument actually for anything.
  Quora was at one point fine, it's just like all such sites.

The truth of genius is its only momentary and usually highly specific.
- Except for Euler. That guy was on a hot streak for his entire life.
  
  Ramanujan did pretty good, just died young.

Where is the "genius"?

Well they do sorta have a point. Even Jobs said he shouldn't have ignored treatment for so long.
- The view from halfway down
  
  Toes untouch the overpass soon he’s water-bound. Eyes locked shut but peek to see the view from halfway down.
  A little wind, a summer sun a river rich and regal. A flood of fond endorphins brings a calm that knows no equal.
  You’re flying now, you see things much more clear than from the ground. It's all okay, or it would be were you not now halfway down.
  Thrash to break from gravity what now could slow the drop? All I’d give for toes to touch the safety back at top.
  But this is it, the deed is done silence drowns the sound. Before I leaped I should've seen the view from halfway down.
  I really should’ve thought about the view from halfway down. I wish I could've known about the view from halfway down—
  -- "The view from halfway down" by Alison Tafel (excerpted)
- Sorta?
  The man killed himself with stupid

Who the hell is Steve Jobs?
- jobs deez nuts

If Steve Jobs is the bar for being considered genius then half the planet is genius

It's unfortunate because his leadership / sense of taste is what made Apple a powerhouse. Under Tim Apple, the software has languished. They're great at hardware and the software is far from great. What a shame.
- "leadership" by which you mean being abusive to his colleagues and refusing to take a shower.
  
  He was a dick, but he had a good mind for products. He wasn't infallible, but he had a sense of taste that was useful in driving others who had greater skills than he.
  
  Fact check: he did shower. It’s just his definition of a shower was plunging his feed in the company toilets.
- Eh, I feel like Jobs was in charge when he could create new products.
  Outside of a different Apple Watch launch, I don't see Jobs really having the ability to create new innovative products.
  
  Yeah computers were doubling in speed every 18 months back then. And there were competing products oftentimes years before Apple put out their version. Apple primarily put a lot of polish onto the technological innovations that were happening at the time.
  Don't get me wrong polish is really important. Apple didn't invent the MP3 player or the smartphone. But the MP3 players before the iPod were really fiddley and janky. BlackBerries had a downright primitive look and feel next to an iPhone.
  Also marketing... a lot of people didn't know MP3 players existed until they saw advertisements for the iPod.
  
  He didn't create new products. He conducted the people who were creating new products and steered them. He wasn't a genius. He was good at guiding people who were.

Dude sent his kids to a Waldorf school.
I mean, his kids doesn't actually learn how to write, their ass is covered, but I wonder how many followed the example of this idiot.
- People who don't know anything about education are such suckers for that shit.

Dying elevates any career. It happens in sports all the time, a dead player is praised above better, still living players from their era. Senna and Prost come to mind

Steve Jobs did actually have multiple operations

It's possible to be an asshole, selfish, insufferable, cruel, devient or do extraordinarily dumb shit while also being exceptionally intelligent and/or talented .
- But Jobs was only the first half. Woz was the intelligent one, he just wasn't a greedy narcissist who stole from his friends (that was also Jobs if that's not clear).